You pull you tank question.

[VoidsentStatus]

And I've never encountered this behavior on the JP data centers. What a strange mindset.

JP tends to have players that are more respectful and a higher base skill level so it's not as big of an issue by default.

Not sure if it's the case nowadays, but years ago at least, I had heard/experienced in lower dungeons at least, that wall to wall pulls were less common. This would be pulling likely 7/8 (strong) or 9+ adds at a time between bosses, only stopping when the game doesn't physically let you gather more adds. The issue is that this playstyle is only possible under minimum skill requirements. You need a tank that is capable of rotating mitigation properly, you need a healer that knows their kit well enough to handle the damage in stress, and the damage output to kill the adds before the tank and healer run out of resources since mana and defensive cooldowns are a limited resource. If any of those are missing, you will wipe.

What will often happen is, people (other than the tanks, more commonly dps's, but sometimes healers) will force this situation in every dungeon, regardless of the content level, regardless of their experience with the other players in the group and can possibly wipe the team for no reason. When you have a higher population of "new or low skill" players, this becomes a problem. While this method is expected in high end content, that learning process/curve, imo, is to be handled/discussed by the tank and or healer for what they are comfortable with. As a healer, I will give confidence to my tanks. As a tank, I will give confidence to/advice to my healers if they're open. But there are times where people have anxiety, where people have lag, where people have irl distractions, where that expectation is not going to be met. And instead of discussing that beforehand, it'll be a dps not caring about those factors forcing the situation and causing people's gear to break and the run to take longer because they cause wipes or throw off mitigation rotating.

When you run into enough of these people not being considerate of others, it spawns the mindstate from those of us who can handle bigger pulls, to start punishing people who actively disregard the situation of others in an effort to dissuade them from doing it with random people. Depending on the details of how the aggro is taken by the person pushing the party to handle more and what gets said in chat, you may not have a direct violation of ToS that is easy to report, and it much easier to just enforce YPYT and cause that rushing player to die repeatedly than to deal with filing a ticket. After they die once or twice, they will fall in line after realizing that they are now the one's making the run take longer because their dps is gone and time to group adds is still going to be the same.

[Elkanah]

I don't care if someone runs ahead. I just hope they use arm's length and bring them to my AoE range so I don't have to chase them to Narnia for aggro.

This. I dont care if dps and healers pull- just bring it to me at least. Dont run around with the damn thing lol

[Neon231]

as a long time tank its extremely annoying when other people pull. specially in the newer dungeons. just chill and let them pull. if its "too slow" either ask nicely to pull more or deal with it.

that being said i wouldnt be petty about it and stop tanking. however if i have to ask people multiple times to stop pulling and they refuse ill stop and boot that person out.

As a long time tank, just do your job. It aint that hard and its not a big deal.

[Kewitt]

My main is tank, I am a warrior.
I honestly don't care.

When I'm playing a WHM or any healer really and my hubby is on PLD. I am always pulling early on him, but that is because he is a nervous tank.
I know I will be able to keep him alive and everyone else. However I don't pull early on others on newer content. Get me in old 24 man content or old 8 man content also fair game.

Also EVERYONE that says YPYT is against the TOS good luck proving it.
GM Why did you get them die.
I got a phone call and was playing with 1 hand.

You would need to have this happen every time and all the time and always reported to get disciplinary action.

Sure it is harassment but that's a tall burden to prove it was direct directly at your because you pulled early.

[MoofiaBossVal]

As someone who tanks Mythic dungeons in WoW, I don't mind other people pulling in FF14 dungeons. Tanking in FF14 is braindead easy. There is hardly a risk of wiping. Wall to wall pulling exists because of how easy tanking in this game is. Even if you do somehow die, whatever. It's not like you're going to brick your key and lose rating. You just respawn and teleport back and get to it.

[FudoMyoo]

You're violating two different rules of the ToS doing that. Lethargic Play and MPK. One day it'll be a report too many.

Nope. I won't stay in the game, I quit the dungeon and take 30mins timeout.

[Zomkei]

Nope. I won't stay in the game, I quit the dungeon and take 30mins timeout.

dps/healer pulling ahead of you? can't say i have that happen to me. i just press sprint and stay ahead of everyone, problem solved.

[Asako]

I'll usually wait, but if it's getting beyond resonable I'm pulling. If they complain they are getting kicked and that's the end of that. Doesn't matter what role they are on, when you queue with randoms it's no longer your own time you are wasting. If they want to kick me that's also fine. Either option I don't deal with a time waster.

[FudoMyoo]

dps/healer pulling ahead of you? can't say i have that happen to me. i just press sprint and stay ahead of everyone, problem solved.

If you play tank long enough, you will encounter these players. They can sprint too ... right?

Especially for some DPS, they can't resist this as they need to keep the combo skills on-going. Mainly we are referring to those who deliberately sprint in front of you, pulling everything and letting us (tank) sort out the hate. They don't finish the kill and sprint to the next batch of mobs.

[Karkarov]

And the odds of wiping in a dungeon pull are what? Extremely low in level 50/60/70/80/90/100 content from what I've experienced anyway. Levelling not included because everyone knows those pulls can be spicy (except in DT it seems).

Living Dead should be used as a CD anyway and that could be what the Healer is counting on if you're running DRK.

......... do you even know how it works? It is a very long cool down and if you don't die when it happens the skill does nothing. 50% of the time when a Dark Knight is forced to use it they still die because the healer continues to not heal. So no, the Dark Knight should never be using Living Dead in a random party finder dungeon unless something is going seriously wrong.