You pull you tank question.

[Farda]

YPYT is unacceptable, childish behavior from people with "main character syndrome", that needs to be punished as soon as it happens.
One, and only one, case when non-tank puller can tank mobs themselves - is when instead of running to the tank to grab aggro, they run around the party like headless chickens

[Pantheouns]

As someone who picked up tanking all the way back in Everquest I am ashamed to see that there are people who do not embody the role of a tank.

I can't believe there are some people who play tanks these days and have so much of an ego over easy content where you can press 1-2 buttons to snap-lock aggro to yourself if someone else pulls.

Your whole persona revolves around being the stoic hero, the meat shield, the immoveable object, the BIG SWANGS, the one your team runs to when there's a big scary monster attacking them.

Modern mmorpgs have very little downtime. This isn't old school mmorpgs where people have to sit and drink/eat food to regen after a difficult fight.

You should be ashamed of yourself for putting in minimal effort and expecting 3 other individuals to accommodate your poor attitude.

Sad what mmorpgs have become and continue to devolve into when (especially dungeons) the content is actually super trivial. You don't even have to crowd control enemies or interrupt anything, just press 1 2 3 until an enemy is dead

Grow up and drop the ego.

[VoidsentStatus]

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1) missed this: "unless you feel like adding to the toxicity yourself. By all means, you can take that option" That was a conditional for entertainment.

2) I elected to take hostilities because of the tone. If you didn't mean the tone that came across, let me give an example that might've been closer to something you may have meant?

"With all due respect, why are you trying to convince random forum users that you're adequate at the game? I don't think it's not going to have the intended effect. As for achievements, why do you find these important for being stated?"

The way you worded things came across as already knowing my intentions and the "noone cares" spam and "good for you" is the same response as the toxic people I was responding to, so I assumed you were in that camp. Don't have condescending and dismissive vocabulary if you don't want to offend people and come off that way. I respond differently to accusatory statements over inquisitive one's or even sarcastic is technically fine and a lighter tone.

3) You're about to see one reason I often simplify my argumentation to what /should/ be blatantly obvious situations. But, here.

An explanation of the "flexing" (2pages) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...f=true&sd=true

The original message I debated writing that looped back into the thread that was simplified that was to accompany the dungeon run (1page) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...f=true&sd=true

Tank Role Importance Discussion getting into mentor philosophy, a tad bit of job kit analysis, along with raid leadership traits and patterns that become problematic for tanks because of community interactions inside of dungeons such as YPYT controversy (3pages) : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...f=true&sd=true

4) 100% contributory. Because Option 1) I ignore this person and they continue to spam insults toward other tanks in the thread and spread misinformation. or 2) I find a crack in their personality and they become so unhinged and toxic that they become ignored. If I become ignored as well *shrugs* I got other things I do lol Worst case scenario, I wait until a new person comes into the discussion and people can see my personality and thoughts when I'm not provoked into being toxic and shifting how I word things on purpose. Some people will see the underlying performance immediately and know the bits of the truth I actually care about, and be able to separate it from the inflamatory bits added in.

[ThorneDynasty]

It is. Good to see you and the others that spent 5+ pages thinking every YPYT tank is some single pull trash that can't play the game, that I lie about woo woo woo, are quiet and can't say anything beside memes and slinging random arguments xD All of you were just entertainment until it just gonna be a record playing the same things over and over and no new amusement was gonna get sucked out. Like, you're actually a bunch of randoms to me. I could tell none of you have been raid leaders in your life because you don't put your performance or money where your mouth is. Back on DCUO, we swindled randoms for money when they wanted to talk crazy, but apparently everyone is broke here or knows they're just about hot air. Not worth the back and forth after it's not fun.

Every YPYT is a trash tank by definition.

It's worse than not knowing how to play your role, it's actively rationalizing not playing it because you think you are special.

[ThorneDynasty]

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Okay, you are a slow as a ball shit tank.

Literally what is the harm with the Ninja going ahead? You are doing the exact same thing you'd do normally when you finally make it to the mob group, hitting your AOE, the Ninja has even grouped them up nicely for you. Do the same thing you do always. They've done no damage to anything except your fragile ego.

The only one being an asshole for zero reason is you.

[Bhearil]

Every YPYT is a trash tank by definition.

It's worse than not knowing how to play your role, it's actively rationalizing not playing it because you think you are special.

You mean like forcing others to adapt to the pace you consider yourself apropiate by not letting the tank pull? You can turn that idea the other way you know?

Or is another case of "Its fine to force others to do my will but not when others try to impose their will to me" kind of mentality?

If you dont like how the tank play you can ask him if he could do bigger pulls, and he he refuses either you suck it up which is not such a big deal or leave the dungeon and play tank yourself instead since realistically speaking the healer and the tank combined dictate the pace (besides when the tank is a War and can do everything by themselves).

[ThorneDynasty]

Doesn't fucking matter.

Simple game theory for dumb-dumbs: Your DPS has pulled ahead:

Party is pulling too much, you refuse to tank: 0%, Everyone dies.
Party is pulling too much, you try to tank: 0%, Everyone dies. (You still survive longer, possibly taking out some of the mobs for the next attempt, single percentile chance you actually improve your shit tanking skills to the point you survive the w2w and become a decent player.)
Party isn't pulling too much, you refuse to tank: 50%, DPS dies, the party might die because now you are doing an otherwise survived pull with less DPS. Even if you survive you are now doing the dungeon slower than you needed to.
Party isn't pulling too much, you do your job as normal: 100%, no problem at all with DPS pulling ahead.

What is the right choice? Don't overthink it.

[Router]

Ive been seeing significantly more of this since dt started-
Tank says nothing for 90% then gets mad on final pull because sm1 else pulled. Refuses to tank the mobs and even the boss.
Same story every time -

Where exactly do the GMs stand on this issue. Where exactly do the tos stand on this issue? And where do you the players stand on this issue.


Is it against tos?
If not should it be?
Are there exceptions where its okay to refuse to tank?

Had two instances of YPYT where I wasn't even the one who pulled extra mobs but the tank still got pissed and turned off tank stance and AFK'd there until we all died. Reported both times and both times the reports did nothing.

Unfortunately, the GMs don't give a single shit about anything anyone does unless they can pull chat logs and see that someone said a bad word. As long as the tanks aren't verbally abusive, they can basically do anything they want including killing the party if they feel like it. It sucks, but there's only so much you can do with an apathetic GM team. You just have to leave the duty and move on.

[VoidsentStatus]

Had two instances of YPYT where I wasn't even the one who pulled extra mobs but the tank still got pissed and turned off tank stance and AFK'd there until we all died. Reported both times and both times the reports did nothing.

Unfortunately, the GMs don't give a single shit about anything anyone does unless they can pull chat logs and see that someone said a bad word. As long as the tanks aren't verbally abusive, they can basically do anything they want including killing the party if they feel like it. It sucks, but there's only so much you can do with an apathetic GM team. You just have to leave the duty and move on.

I would laugh if every time someone sent a GM a ticket for YPYT, they got teleported to the Hall of Novice as punishment.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxExfRyhQ...YgRXyz66p6kFLi

[Router]

I would laugh if every time someone sent a GM a ticket for YPYT, they got teleported to the Hall of Novice as punishment.
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxExfRyhQ...YgRXyz66p6kFLi

Sorry for not, uhhh... AFKing with the tank in solidarity? Don't you have something better to do than bait for replies on an alt account?