You pull you tank question.

[Aurelius2625]

Also just to add my 2 cents since I've tanked since late HW: you are ego tripping if you have "you pull you tank". Get over yourselves. Stop being cry babies. I've tanked literally every Ultimate except for TOP from start to finish. I've tanked every raid tier from Sigmascape seriously... you are ego tripping. You have no right to "demand" the party conform to you. You exist to smooth out pulls and make sure every one can nuke things efficiently. And not die. Get better if you die. It's somewhat on the healer, but every tank except DRK can basically live forever, and if you manage your CDs on DRK and your dps CDs, you can smash through most packs since DRK has outrageous dps potential anyways, with Abyssal used on a pack healing you to max from one use on a thick mob pack.

I started on Gladiator when you still had to level it for CROSS CLASS abilities lol. I was a little nervous my first couple of dungeons...but I learned to wall to wall during Heavensward on PLD when it was garbage. I promise you that I'm painfully average in the intelligence department. If I can go from a total newb to being confident to tank ultimates easily, I sincerely promise you that you can wall to wall in a dungeon.

IT IS LEVEL 100 MY FRIENDS IT IS TIME TO LEARN TO WALL TO WALL AS THE STANDARD. IF YOU CANNOT DO THIS, PLEASE DO NOT QUEUE AS TANK. THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS AT HIGH LEVEL AND WALL TO WALL IN DUNGEONS IS SUCH A THING.

"I just want to make it easier on..." NO. It's max level / high level. If they are so devoid of intelligence or the will to get better BY LEVEL 100...they need to do something else. This is a video game. Video games are meant to have some modicum of challenge. Instead of getting in the fetal position and crying when adversity hits you, learn from it. Say, "damn, GG, we go again guys!" and GO AGAIN. It's a GAME. FAILURE is NORMAL and OKAY if you are willing to learn.

In level 30? Sure. Fine. Get used to new tools. LEVEL 70 AND ABOVE WHEN EVERY TANK HAS GOOD COOLDOWNS? No. Get better. You are the tank. You signed up to tank. You signed up for the COMMUNITY EXPECTATION of wall to wall. Don't like it? Don't tank. Same on healer. If you are so weak minded that you won't try to learn and be better especially when you have SO MANY COOLDOWNS on tank and healer it's absurd. If you have a phys ranged, they can also blow their 90s CD and have it up for one of the boss AoEs as a pack CD.

You can actually, as a melee, tank a few hits with Arm's Length and slow the mobs hitting the tank since they can get aggro in ONE SWING now lol.

Stop egoing. Be a team player. Be better. Learn. Get experience. Stop being weak and demanding the world warp to your expectations, and rise above as a player. Serve your team. Your team likes to do dungeons fast. They like smooth dungeons. Learn to do both at the same time. It's more than possible. Paladin is tanky af. GNB is tanky af (esp. if you use the tech where you Corundum early during a pull, so you have the excog, and then have a free heal while the CD of it ticks down to get essentially two excogs out of it). WAR is literally god mode.

DRK, when CDs are managed well, can also be tanky as hell with basically on CD TBN's.

You have soy energy if you legit would rather cry and complain as a tank "having dps and healers dictate pulls instead of the tank" instead of rising to the expecation that your team has for you. They are doing wall to wall because THEY BELEIVE THAT YOU CAN DO IT AS WELL. Take it as a badge of honor that they believe that you are MENTALLY CAPABLE of doing wall to wall.

it is UNACCEPTABLE in Dawn Trail content when healers and tanks have SO MANY COOLDOWNS to NOT do wall to wall. I leveled WHM thru DT. I'm a tank main and a melee main first and foremost. I had literally zero trouble because I READ MY KIT and was proactive rather than crying about how "hard the new dungeons are". My team expected me to figure it out and I did.

It feels GOOD to LEARN and do NEW THINGS and TRY and CHALLENGE yourself. Imagine being a human being, a product of hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, and disrespecting your ancestors and everything that got you here instead of using your hugely privileged position to do better. To be better.

[EdwinChucklenuts]

words, a lot of them

Holy shit that's a lotta words.

Anyway not all games are about challenge (ie Sims, Animal Crossing, etc) but I get your point
The deeps can eat shit but if my healer tells me they're returning and need a minute to get their groove back, trying a new class, are drunk (and why not? This is a video game and they're ACTUALLY about entertainment) then you bet your bippy I'll do it pack by pack.

I get the MLG raiders and allat like to min/max and crunch numbers and theorycraft and all that jive, but buddy when you're runnin' standard difficulty roulettes you don't gotta be speedrunnin' shit. If you don't got like 30 minutes don't queue.

Oh and just so my comment is relevant, I couldn't give a fuck less what the deeps are up to I'll just provoke/range the stragglers once I've hit the barrier.

[Conando]

And I'm explaining to you why DPS shouldn't "chill with their rotation".

If they're pulling aggro, throw your ranged attack/voke behind you while you're running between packs. Staying at the top of the enmity table for a tank isn't difficult in the current version of the game and you absolutely don't need people to sandbag their damage so that you can do so.

What part of "they're out of range" don't you get. Whatever Pictos are upto, they're back in Narnia despite apparently being impatient enough to not wait for a pack to be set up for AoE. But it's a moot point now anyway since they increased the aggro generation on AoE combos because of this.

[Lonely_Lily]

"I just want to make it easier on..." NO. It's max level / high level. If they are so devoid of intelligence or the will to get better BY LEVEL 100...they need to do something else. This is a video game. Video games are meant to have some modicum of challenge.

Everyone can have his own opinion about how to play the game, in that regard, I totally desagree with your way of thinking, especially when a few sentence later you speak about being a "team player".
You seems to desagree but I truly think that adapting your gameplay to your team to make it easer to everyone else, if you are willing to or if you can, is the best way to play. At least, it's MY best way to play and I don't care if we are at content level 30, 50 or 100.

YPYT is not a answer to every dps or healer pulling, I am not even sure it's an acceptable answer at all. YPYT is an answer, among many, from miscomunication, impatient people -sometimes jerks - and some sort of reccurent behavior.
You cannot talk about "egoing" for every situation.

And the most important thing, "Team play" goes both ways.

[DaveFishnomer]

Lot of words with little to no substance

Not that I'm against W2W but a lot of healers cant handle that, who are you to tell people not to queue to normal content because they cant W2W?

I always make a point of asking the healer what pull size they want, this is not savage, chill, and you are talking about people having ego lol.

[LilyPendragon]

YPYT is absolutely reportable as the tank is essentially using game mechanics to kill you

[NailBach]

YPYT is absolutely reportable as the tank is essentially using game mechanics to kill you

i don't get the YPYT mentality anyways, if is see a green square or yellow triangle i have to make it red.

[RatCopter]

It is a question of common courtesy. If the tank is moving at a reasonable pace, then there is no reason for you to move ahead of him to pull. To do so is bad manners. If he is moving slow, use your words and ask him to speed up.
On the other side of that, tanks should understand that, sooner or later, you're gonna run into these kinds of assholes for whom common courtesy is an utterly foreign concept, and it's not your job to "punish" them. That's pure ego talking. Just roll your eyes and let it go.
You trying to get them banned for over-reacting to your bad manners is equally as egotistical, especially if you're the kind of person who hits sprint every pull to try and bait the tank into reacting this way.

At the end of the day, you can't control what other people do. If you don't like it, stick to trusts or tank yourself.

[Cortawraith]

Ypyt stems from an era that somewhat compare to the old ages of MMO's.
Nowadays it's still being lived, less out of necessity but more out of entitlement.
To get mad, threaten to kick someone etc. is rather archaic/draconic in my opinion.

If there really should occur a situation, then feel free to talk about it. You might be insecure because you're new to tanking and still have to fully grasp your skillset etc.
But those tanks with a couple of dungeonclears under their belts shouldn't be so entitled.
I personally am fine if other ppl pull more stuff but that's something that happens rarely, since I usually pull everything (as long as the healer is able to keep up). All it needs for me is to collect aggro and do the same stuff, I've been doing for years ^^

Also,
my healers may pull anything they want, anytime (IF they feel like they need more action). They can count on me not to throw a tantrum but rather do what I'm in there for: Tanking.

[Malthir]

It is a question of common courtesy. If the tank is moving at a reasonable pace, then there is no reason for you to move ahead of him to pull. To do so is bad manners. If he is moving slow, use your words and ask him to speed up.
On the other side of that, tanks should understand that, sooner or later, you're gonna run into these kinds of assholes for whom common courtesy is an utterly foreign concept, and it's not your job to "punish" them. That's pure ego talking. Just roll your eyes and let it go.
You trying to get them banned for over-reacting to your bad manners is equally as egotistical, especially if you're the kind of person who hits sprint every pull to try and bait the tank into reacting this way.

At the end of the day, you can't control what other people do. If you don't like it, stick to trusts or tank yourself.

As I said before in the post, It's understandable if it's maybe at the start of the pull, or if you've spoke before. But alot of what I've seen whenever I don't w2w (when healer is struggling) is mid way through a fight with a pack DPS will grab the next pack to add it to the fight, that's where alot of the problems come in, they haven't asked anyone anything, they don't have any idea what the tank and healer CD's are looking like. In that situation, you pull you tank until both the healer and I are ready to take that off you, your health bar is now a shield bar for the tank. Melee DPS has always been the most selfish and ego driven role in MMO's, I think in FF14 the issue is primarily the melee DPS don't really have a complex rotation or play style either so to make themselves feel important they have to be about doing everything super fast big pulls etc, they don't ask anyone else in the group, they don't comm at all most of the time.