Personal view on Dawntrail.

[Kaecilius]

How would you have structured it in a way that it resonated with the community? And by saying there's nothing they can add to the msq to change that, don't you think you're saying that no matter how good the next expansion is, that her character should just be left out entirely? (Mainly in regards to growth opportunities).

I think the problem is that we had A LOT of Wuk Lamat in the expansion itself, to the detriment of other characters like Erenville or Krile that deserved more time... And expecting to also have the patches to go even further into her story when people are already tired of her is... asking for a lot.

If we absolutely need to do more with her, I'd prefer we do it

from the perspective of a Solution Nine figure. Wuk Lamat basically killed their Queen, introduced a child as King and proclaimed herself guardian of the new king. She basically took over, and that would not sit well with a lot of people.

Other than that, I think she should have a role similar to Lyse. Let her be the leader of her nation and join us when we need official help for some reason.

[Aulainn]

I'm just spitballing here but her foundation is absolutely there, its just the situations shes placed in all resolve so easily or without consequences of her actions that she isn't given a chance to grow.

In terms of her being left out, I think at this point they need to let her be gone for some time before re-introducing her and maybe trying to give her actual growth so she can be accepted by the player base.

I mean this really is one of the biggest issues with her, everything positive is handed to her on a silver platter with a side of luck.

-In the Pelu map they conveniently meet a person at the entrance who will sponsor them to complete the goal.
-In the Hanu village she suggests something unrelated to the task when the task is extremely vital (she literally says they are weak from starvation) and it ends up being the solution by pure luck.
-Literally right before we meet Moblins they help a goldsmith who agrees to help them with a task where they need a goldsmith.
-In the mountains before dungeon she is attacked by the angry giants who would attack and she'd be forced to kill if not for the bird descending the mountain to attack them and her be able to defend them instead.
-Next referee is her dad, bad optics.
-I forget what the sixth even is-
-Realistically WoL is the one that deserves the credit for this unfair fight and stone.