LOLPATCH 1.16a

[Zkieve]

Actually, I'm starting to doubt that. I see quite a few people that would probably be delighted if this game was actually abandoned.
If one says that he wants a game to succeed but yet he does *nothing* else than spouting negativity, looking for even the silliest and most out of line excuses to do that, the diagnosis is pretty clear.

And again, you didn't answer my question. How do you determine that "we're losing people everyday"?

By now most of the ones that wanted to quit pretty much did.
End of the line, if there's someone that actually *knows* what the server population trends are, it's not me, or you, and most definitely not the most negativity-ridden naysayers that very possibly haven't logged in in months. That's SE.
So I'm quite sure they don't need to be costantly reminded by people that have nothing more than educated guesses.

Sorry for not looking the game with pink glasses like you do.
I want the game to succeed , but saying " everything is alright " is not the way to go.
Everyone i know if they havent quit the game they only log for leves , craft and log off for 1 day or two. I could be playing right now on my day off but instead im playing on ps3 and posting on forums.
You havent reached the end of the game life yet , i have .All that is left for me is to repeat same shit every day, so im sorry if i dont think you need to call out every single thing people complain about.
Most people who play do their leves and log out.most people who played at start dont even play anymore. The new people who you claim are by hundreds only play couse is free and the game is definetly fun until you reach the point were everythin is more of the same.
You really think FFXIV is populated ? that we arent loosing people?i wish i could be as naive.

[Zkieve]

Absolutely. I am not saying the game doesn't need BIG UPDATES and changes. I am just saying it is not going to happen in a day or two. It is also not going to happen in a week or two. It is going to take time. We complained about Square Enix rushing the release of Final Fantasy XIV and we were right. They rushed it, fucked it up and they even accepted their mistake.

Now they are trying to fix their mistake. New producer, new people at strategic spots in the development team. They promised us stuff. They told us to wait. They told us they are working on stuff. They asked our opinion and they said they will work on almost everything we said they should change.

However, all the people that said Square Enix rushed things now all of a sudden wants Square Enix to rush patches. Make up your freaking mind. If that disaster in Japan didn't happen we would have had patch 1.17 by now. Well it happened, get over it. They announced the events will push everything back for about two weeks. Patch 1.16a was scheduled to be released somewhere in the middle of March, instead it was released at the end of March. Patch 1.17 is pushed back to early April. What is the problem? I really do not see it.

I totally agree the game needs changed, the game needs updates, big ones, but hell why rush it while we were complaining for months and cursing Square Enix for rushing the release in the first place?

The human nature is really strange ....

We dont need rushed out content.I completly agree.But the complains (while they serve no porpoise) are justified.
The game is in a bad state , people complain and will keep complaining until that changes.
Is it pointless ? yea definitely, but like you said it is human nature .Idk who i find more annoying the people who complain no stop or the ones who think they are SE police and must act like SE defense force or something. i think moderation to both sides would be the ideal scenario. but thats unlikely to happen.

I think the best approach would be if you think is pointless , then ignore it and dont post there.But that would be to much to ask, sometimes discussions like this can be fun ^^.Im having a hard time not posting on the threads from kilta by example.but i wont for the sake of the community XD.

[Abriael]

Sorry for not looking the game with pink glasses like you do.
I want the game to succeed , but saying " everything is alright " is not the way to go.

Oh really? Please, would you quote ONE post of mine where I say "everything is alright" or anything equivalent to that?
Having a constructive outlook on the game (I'm quite sure I posted quite a lot more suggestions on how to change the game than any of the people that continue posting bashing threads) doesn't mean thinking everything is alright.
"the sky isn't falling (yet)" != "everything is alright"

Everyone i know if they havent quit the game they only log for leves , craft and log off for 1 day or two. I could be playing right now on my day off but instead im playing on ps3 and posting on forums.
You havent reached the end of the game life yet , i have .All that is left for me is to repeat same shit every day, so im sorry if i dont think you need to call out every single thing people complain about.
Most people who play do their leves and log out.most people who played at start dont even play anymore. The new people who you claim are by hundreds only play couse is free and the game is definetly fun until you reach the point were everythin is more of the same.
You really think FFXIV is populated ? that we arent loosing people?i wish i could be as naive.

You really think that after being here from the first days of alpha I didn't reach the point where everything is more of the same? Maybe, instead of grinding your eyes out to reach an endgame that quite evidently isn't there yet, you could have taken your time, played other games in between, went out... you know, a more healthy approach to the game.

You'd probably be less burned out by now.

You base your "statistics" in what you see, and I base mine in what I see. Istory has never been an high population server, I reckon. It's more than possible than people in lower populated servers are logging in less, while people in higher population ones are logging in more.
What's "naive" is thinking that you can create statistics from the outlook on a low-pop server alone.
If the population is dropping, SE knows better than you. And they're obviously doing what they can to put a patch on it.
If it's raising or stationary, I seriously doubt that they'll be content with that, considering that they have a lot of ground to recover.

[Zkieve]

Oh really? Please, would you quote ONE post of mine where I say "everything is alright" or anything equivalent to that?
Having a constructive outlook on the game (I'm quite sure I posted quite a lot more suggestions on how to change the game than any of the people that continue posting bashing threads) doesn't mean thinking everything is alright.
"the sky isn't falling (yet)" != "everything is alright"



You really think that after being here from the first days of alpha I didn't reach the point where everything is more of the same? Maybe, instead of grinding your eyes out to reach an endgame that quite evidently isn't there yet, you could have taken your time, played other games in between, went out... you know, a more healthy approach to the game.

You'd probably be less burned out by now.

You base your "statistics" in what you see, and I base mine in what I see. Istory has never been an high population server, I reckon. It's more than possible than people in low populated servers are logging in less, while people in high population one are logging in more.
What's "naive" is thinking that you can create statistics from the outlook on a low-pop server alone.
If the population is dropping, SE knows better than you. And they're obviously doing what they can to put a patch on it.
If it's raising or stationary, I seriously doubt that they'll be content with that, considering that they have a lot of ground to recover.

lol you dont need to play no stop to be burned out.reaching 50 have no dificulty , im amazed you are praising a game so much you havent even hit cap after 6 months from release.That only shows you play as i said, so more power to my point.
I play 2h every 36 do leves and log off with the occasionally crafting/NM session.If you think i got no life playing 2hish every 36h then WOW i might as well no play at all XD.

Geting to 50 is easy, even for the casual crowd.I find hard to believe you think im 50 because i grind my way out at this point.Way to toss out conclusions about people you know nothing about.
Discussing with you past this point it will only lead to pointless insults so ill stop.

[Abriael]

lol you dont need to play no stop to be burned out.reaching 50 have no dificulty , im amazed you are praising a game so much you havent even hit cap after 6 months from release.That only shows you play as i said, so more power to my point.
I play 2h every 36 do leves and log off with the occasionally crafting/NM session.If you think i got no life playing 2hish every 36h then WOW i might as well no play at all XD.

one class at 50, another at 44 and a crafting class at 40, and that only logging it 2 hours every 36? Yeah sure really.
Besides I'd really love to see you finish 8 battle leves and 8 crafting leves in two hours. You must be real fast and have an infinite amount of anima.

I play other games, of course, which is what every healthy gamer should do. You know, it helps not being burned out of ANY game. Since any and every game turns repeatitive on the long run.

Geting to 50 is easy, even for the casual crowd.I find hard to believe you think im 50 because i grind my way out at this point.Way to toss out conclusions about people you know nothing about.
Discussing with you past this point it will only lead to pointless insults so ill stop.

Never said that it's not "easy". I would actually say that the leveling curve is exactly where it needs to be (while we need more varied ways to level).
But "easy" or "hard" has nothing to do with simple physical time needed to do certain tasks, and yeah, if you have one class at 50 and one near, plus a crafting one, you definitely didn't play two hours every 36, or anywhere near "casually".

PS: my raptr counts 1080 hours of FFXIV, I wouldn't think that's little (even considering that a good half of those were afk bazaring, so count around 600 as active playing). I just took things easy, socialized, helped other people, crafted, had fun with my linkshell... you know, that sort of things that make a (any) MMO fun

[Zkieve]

one class at 50, another at 44 and a crafting class at 40, and that only logging it 2 hours every 36? Yeah sure really.
Besides I'd really love to see you finish 8 battle leves and 8 crafting leves in two hours. You must be real fast and have an infinite amount of anima.

I play other games, of course, which is what every healthy gamer should do. You know, it helps not being burned out of ANY game. Since any and every game turns repeatitive on the long run.



Never said that it's not "easy". I would actually say that the leveling curve is exactly where it needs to be (while we need more varied ways to level).
But "easy" or "hard" has nothing to do with simple physical time needed to do certain tasks, and yeah, if you have one class at 50 and one near, plus a crafting one, you definitely didn't play two hours every 36, or anywhere near "casually".

PS: my raptr counts 1080 hours of FFXIV, I wouldn't think that's little (even considering that a good half of those were afk bazaring, so count around 600 as active playing). I just took things easy, socialized, helped other people, crafted, had fun with my linkshell... you know, that sort of things that make a MMO fun

Actually yes you can ,Leve link X4 and you can easily get 1 level every reset.Maybe 2 for the last levels.
If you dont even know this i think the person who isnt playing the game is you and not me .
Lately i only link dunes folk and ravine and do the rest super fast in 1 star for faction points, is perfectly achievable in 2h.

Your saying dont play the game or you get burned out.
So i should play another game and not ffxiv . um somehow your line of tough does not compute.
getting to 50 holds no merit and is easily achievable with some team work.Crafting is just spamming standar while watching a movie. Anything else you like to add?

All your posts are based on that people should play like you do.I dont sorry.
I play efficiently.

[Abriael]

Actually yes you can ,Leve link X4 and you can easily get 1 level every reset.Maybe 2 for the last levels.
If you dont even know this i think the person who isnt playing the game is you and not me .

Actually I leve link regularly, and organize a full leve link group at every reset. And it most definitely does not take just a couple hours. Add to that crafting leves and the time goes a lot higher than that even just to consign them.

besides the fact that the amounts of sp gained has been increased just recently, and before then leveling was much, much slower across the board.

[Zkieve]

Actually I leve link regularly, and organize a full leve link group at every reset. And it most definitely does not take just a couple hours. Add to that crafting leves and the time goes a lot higher than that even just to consign them.

besides the fact that the amounts of sp gained has been increased just recently, and before then leveling was much, much slower across the board.

I get around 30k-40k sp per reset now with me and my wife leve link dunes and ravine only.before i did a static of 4 for around 60ksp per reset(before sp update)More people than that will only hinders your sp.
Are you sure you are doing it right ? somehow i find it hard to belive.I dont even want to think how much you would get with a full leve static with the sp update.
Also, local leves for crafting ? why would i do those other than for marks , i just craft grind.
Really just stop the more you talk the less i think you are playing the game.

[Malakhim]

Far be it from me to refuse everyone else their morning entertainment, but you guys look pretty silly arguing like 7-year-old siblings.

"uh-huh!"

"nuh-uh!"

[Abriael]

I get around 30k-40k sp per reset now with me and my wife leve link dunes and ravine only.

Dunesfolk gives an average of 12-13k with a full 8 people party, 3 stars (4 stars takes about twice as much due to the wolves regenerating like mad, and doesn't give much more). with less than 4 levels of difference and 4-way link. Killing all the mobs available. Ranine reveries (which is what I guss you're referring with "ravine"?) gives less, as puks are rather low in their sp gain. So no, does not compute.

I'm starting to wonder what kind of idea you have of "playing efficently". because to me it seems "avoid any kind of socialization, and just grind as much as you can".
Not surprised it gets boring like that.