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    Te gameplay of healer is intentionally designed to be based around ogcd's.
    Pretending that your rotation is 1-1-1-1-1-2 when it's really:

    1-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
    -3-34-3-4-5-6-7-

    etc etc. is really disingenuous. The only healer who doesn't adhere to this well is whitemage. They have very few ogcd's in place of their afflatus spells.

    Besides you use GCD healers a ton more than we ever did in endwalker's ex1 and ex2. Just watch a video of those if you need a refresher.
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    Etgar Valujin
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    Scholar Lv 84

    Hmm.

    its disingenuous trying to lead people through deception because no it is 1-1-1-1-1-1-2. Very few dungeons do I have to make full use of my toolkit and i am basically left with spamming 1-1-1-1-1-2 for about 50-60% of the fight and that is if people do not know mechanics and screw up. If they do its 1-2 Off Cool Down then back 1-1-1-1-1-1-2
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    Shiru Elysia
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    I won't be as dedicated to healer as I used to be, but mostly because I'm really interested in the new jobs as well.
    Playing several jobs for my sanity.

    Still like some addition or adjusment to healer, even though they could have done definitly more.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zolvolt View Post
    Te gameplay of healer is intentionally designed to be based around ogcd's.
    Pretending that your rotation is 1-1-1-1-1-2 when it's really:

    1-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1
    -3-34-3-4-5-6-7-

    etc etc. is really disingenuous. The only healer who doesn't adhere to this well is whitemage. They have very few ogcd's in place of their afflatus spells.

    Besides you use GCD healers a ton more than we ever did in endwalker's ex1 and ex2. Just watch a video of those if you need a refresher.
    What is the point of pretending like this is actually true, like genuinely what do you get out of it

    Look at any log above a 40 in EX 1 and you’ll see that of the average 150 casts or so you weave at most about 40 times (and for SCH half those weaves are damage), so at best 30% of your casts have a weave attached (on most logs it’s actually about 20% with a higher proportion of double weaves) and we still retain 70+% uptime on our GCD spell

    So assuming that all weaves somehow fall specifically in the GCD nuke range (they don’t) we still spend near 35% of the fight casting a GCD nuke spell on the no weaves and nothing else

    It has not improved at all
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    What is the point of pretending like this is actually true, like genuinely what do you get out of it
    It is true.



    EX-2
    217 GCD casts broken down
    192 broil casts
    17 biolysis
    3 adloquium
    1 concitation
    1 Ruin 2
    1 Ressurection
    2 accession

    131 OGCD casts

    62.35% of casts are GCD's
    37.64% of casts are OGCD's
    55.17% of casts are broil
    4.88% of casts are bio

    About a quarter of the fight is spent casting a GCD without an OGCD.
    24.71% to be precise.(86 casts)
    In a clear of 9:05 about 2 minutes and 15 seconds were spent not weaving

    Here is ex2 as astro


    196 GCD casts broken down
    173 fall malefic
    17 combust
    4 helios conj.
    2 macrocosmos

    133 OGCD casts

    59.57% of casts are GCD's
    40.42% of casts are OGCD's
    52.58% of casts are malefic
    5.16% of casts are combust

    19.15% of the fight is spent casting a GCD without an OGCD. 63 casts
    In a clear of 8:25 about 1 minute and 37 seconds were spent not weaving.

    These are both 70 percentiles, well above the 40 percentile you requested. These aren't purse runs either, theres plenty of room for these players to improve but the data doesn't lie. Unless you are playing whitemage then well over half of an encounter is being spent weaving.


    edit:
    I forgot to put accession's 2 casts under GCD for sch. Taking some time to fix the numbers, but it is "roughly' correct. Just off by those 2 casts

    edit 2: fixed
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    Last edited by Zolvolt; 07-13-2024 at 07:20 AM.

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    The issue is the healer is the most repetitive and boring role in the game when the aspect of being a healer has shifted over the power to the tank. I guess this is primarily the warrior as I would not mind the paladin maintaining a healing/defensive presence but I did not want it to end this way. And its a very bad shift of dynamics pushing the skill straight from the jobs itself to the encounter which is also repetition if not on a whole new scale. Every fight is the same square platform song and dance. I want them to bring part of the power and skill back to the healing role. If you want an off cooldown specific healer i do not see an issue with that. That seems like a very nice approach to healing possibly with the sage but I want my astrologian returned back to at least Endwalker with my own personal mini buffs if the cards are going to be lukewarm now and mainly just another intersection. All 4 healers are basically the same now with flow which fits fine for a dps but not as a healer. Healing has always in the past been about proactive and reactionary response to the encounter itself. When the flow is just pressing the flow of 1-2 off cooldowns the say you describe it that breaks what has made healing fun. The non flow and more variable response of the role.. I really would appreciate not always flowing. Maybe give the flow aspect to a sage but Astro/Scholar/White mage need major revamps. White mage is the weakest and with it being straight forward it should be the direct strongest in damage and healing with the other jobs bringing at the time what made them unique up until around Darkbringers.. You also do make some good points. There should be an identity for some healers having flow but there is also a case for my above statement I feel.. You seem to have defined your debating skills I will admit you are increasingly giving higher quality responses.
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    Last edited by Vladmiere; 07-13-2024 at 09:14 AM.

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