Time to remove Leve Allowances??

[DRAGONxKING]

As the title says, I think ever since the introduction to Collectables and earning bank EXP with those it might be a good time to remove leve allowances.

Fellow guildmate got 4 crafters to 100 in a single day on collectibles alone. the time sink was just buying the mats (some I helped by mining)

Leve Allowances are no longer necessary so we should be allowed unlimited access to leves.

[Venarius]

And trivialize leveling even further? Right, exactly what this game needs.

[DaveFishnomer]

And trivialize leveling even further? Right, exactly what this game needs.

Leveling in this game for crafters and gatherers has always been a joke, I dont think this will do much, remove it, keep it, w/e.

[Venarius]

Leveling in this game for crafters and gatherers has always been a joke, I dont think this will do much, remove it, keep it, w/e.

This isn't true. Leveling to 50 during ARR took weeks. Reaching 51 was also considered a wall for many. They only started easing it up in Stormblood and started handing out free omnicrafters from ShB onwards.

I actually find it disgusting how over the years people are asking for nothing but the path of least resistance. The generation instant gratification ruined gaming.

[DaveFishnomer]

This isn't true. Leveling to 50 during ARR took weeks. Reaching 51 was also considered a wall for many. They only started easing it up in Stormblood and started handing out free omnicrafters from ShB onwards.

I actually find it disgusting how over the years people are asking for nothing but the path of least resistance. The generation instant gratification ruined gaming.

Right, sorry, not always, just for the last 10 years, ma bad.

[Isala]

This isn't true. Leveling to 50 during ARR took weeks. Reaching 51 was also considered a wall for many. They only started easing it up in Stormblood and started handing out free omnicrafters from ShB onwards.

I actually find it disgusting how over the years people are asking for nothing but the path of least resistance. The generation instant gratification ruined gaming.

Look, bud. I get that you feel like "We did it uphill, both ways, in snow AND sand storms!" is a valid reason for someone to have to do the same, but as someone who has been there since 2.0 as well, we're level 100 now, with over 30 Jobs across combat and non-combat. Let the people have easier ways to level, so they can actually catch up to us without having to pay for a level skip.

[ShariusTC]

reason for allowce is to limit gils people can mines from it, remove allowce, then they have to remove gils reward might as well as remove leve all together

[Ozmandis]

reason for allowce is to limit gils people can mines from it, remove allowce, then they have to remove gils reward might as well as remove leve all together

Yep that's the reason. Leves serve to make money not XP and you have collectables for XP. I don't see how it will improve the situation at all. You can go do collectables as soon as lvl 20 which should take at most 15 mimutes.

[KisaiTenshi]

As the title says, I think ever since the introduction to Collectables and earning bank EXP with those it might be a good time to remove leve allowances.

You misunderstand what a crafter is supposed to be doing.

In a properly designed market-economy, the crafters should be supplying 100% of the goods. The game does not let this happen. Collectables, if the materials come from the market board, it should work as a "sink", but it doesn't, as most of the materials are provided or purchased from a NPC.

The entire design of how crafting should level, should be based on a combination of creating a HQ gear, and selling it. If you make 10,000 NQ pieces, then you don't level. Only the HQ pieces and HQ 5-slot materia pieces for a profit should earn you experience.

Likewise leveling gathering, is a joke. Diadem should not exist. Collectibles should not exist. You should only be able to level it by finding AND selling HQ items for a profit.

Because otherwise people will just produce an endless amount of garbage and sell it for 1gp to level. We've seen that in most MMORPG's. Few games actually care about the crafting mechanic in a way that just doesn't make it fustrating to play a crafter.

So collectibles just exist as a way to sink time and resources as a crafter. But as a gatherer? What is even the point, you find all these items you can not sell, and have no value to anyone but the collectible appraiser. Why is this a thing at all? That just makes materials even harder for crafters to get.

People just want to level quickly. So they do it by the most laziest means possible. We've seen this with combat as well. People would rather spend 300 hours grinding in POTD than play the roulettes more than once per day. Because every 10 floors in POTD is about the same time one FATE solo.

So the existing situation is bad, and Leve's are what keeps "new" botting in check. However the collectibles are a joke, and the fact you can just easily grind all the crafters from 60 onwards on collectibles alone in a day, tells you that the collectible system should not exist.

But as to what to replace it with. Have the store NPC's "buy" mispriced (items at a loss) items off the marketboard every hour, and have overpriced items (eg anything 100x NPC sale value) unable to be listed.

[DiaDeem]

This is a 1.0 remnant, believe it or not.

Back in Shadowbringers, my sister, my brother in law and I decided to make ARR relics, but silly me had spent all her allowances on Coffee biscuits and I was time gated when we got to the Levequests segment of the saga. I don't really know why these allowances still exist.

Also, I don't know if this is an unpopular thought, but I miss combat leves. If they gave good XP they'd be a great alternative to dungeons and beast tribe quests for leveling, but sadly they just gave up on them.