3000 characters is not enough. I censored 3/4 of my post and simplified alot. Sorry if it sounds rude. Communicating with you all is hard but Crafters and gatherers use their offhands ALOT. Since ALOT of crafts and gather points have secondary gathering points or secondary crafts we use these tools ALOT.We have made ALOT of relics for crafters/gatherers now and honestly crafting and gathering has felt reall forgotten over the past few expansions. Yes we have new abilities. And you did give us BEAUTIFUL relics that I absolutely LOVE! But fishers still have the same gig since level 61 and its hardly used. And lets be honest all we really have is gold tools or stuff that looks like it was purchased from a hardware store in my opinion or the same level 61 gig. I cant speak for the community. But I know I spend a lot of time crafting and gathering and I have all these fancy tools to craft with. I think a great option would be to add a visual only (if your worried about stats) maybe like a quest line after you complete the relic you can undertake a quest to remake you secondary to match(kind of like how a kettle was added for relics but did nothing.. Personally I don't care how it would be implemented I would just like something. When you need to process thousands of whetstones for different gems, armor and stuff. Those gems take the grinder to make into usable material. I use my secondary 4 times before I get to the main craft. Yes I maybe exaggerating some. But not much especially for some crafts that take 5-6 different materials. I think this would give us a great reward. Amp up gathering and crafting classes. And maybe give us crafters and gatherers a reward for how much work we have put in helping keep the realms afloat. Just like titles for crafting and gathering which feels personally like they kind of stopped happening. The indefatigable title is one of the few we have gotten. We didn't even get one for full completion of resplendent or since probably the ishgardian restoration. I know I stopped playing for a bit but even then that is not alot. I do understand its a secondary system. And don't expect a title or reward for everything we do. But full completing gatherers and crafters full relics seems like something worthy of a reward. Gatherers didn't really even get anything other then the tools. And even if you didn't want to entertain any of that. Why cant we just craft a shiny offhand like every weapon for every combat class? There is another option. Crafters and gatherers breathe life into the game. And I know when we work hard for crafting stuff or relic stuff getting our gear penta-melded and keeping that updated and trying to provide services to other players and ourselves I just wanna feel like my time and efforts were worth it otherwise I wouldn't really wanna keep it up. Sorry if it sounds angry its not you just limited my communication.