dead jobs

[Local_Custard]

Hewwo!
I write this as contemplation about the dead jobs in this game. They exist and I feel some dead jobs barely get discussed.

To start, I will define a dead job: A dead job is a job that may still appear in party/duty finder but is semi- to considerably rare. The key factors are lack of veterans/dedicated mains, faced constant reworks and/or was marred by inappropriate changes, and barely if ever appears on the John Fantasy WoL. The last point isn't required but adds to the general theming of dead jobs: neglect and dismissal from the devs. You can't even shoot things with your gun or bow in cutscenes...
Nevermind healer WoLs literally doing nothing in cutscenes even though their jobs would be a perfect fit for the scene.
I will not go on too many tangents about healers as I feel dead dps and tank jobs deserve attention in this thread. Of course, this does not mean I forbade conversation about healers, they are very relevant to the discussion.

To my knowledge these are the following dead jobs: mch, brd, mnk, and ast. There are likely more so I will ask you: which jobs do you feel are dead? When did their downfall start? What is your favorite iteration of the dead job?
I feel like blm may very well join the list given how the devs shot it in the foot and walked away with their new golden child, pictomancer.

I would like to preemptively apologize for my negativity I've expressed on the forums lately. I do try to be positive but it has been difficult to given that my favorite job, astrologian, has lost its last threads of identity.

[Arkdra]

Well...

Mch - Selfish dps but it's numbers weren't adding up in EW. It was also an easy job coming into EW and SMN stole that. So damage fiends went elsewhere and easy job seekers went elsewhere and that didn't leave a lot of mch fans around.

Mnk - Viewed as too complicated and that effort isn't rewarded with higher numbers. DT may have fixed this, but frankly I think the ew mnk rework, while good, missed the mark for monk mains who are probably all off playing viper at this point and cackling at their 6 positionals and 1.5ish second gcd awakening phases.

Brd - Dnc ate their lunch.

Ast - Too hard for too little personal payoff. May recover in DT, time will tell, but EW ast was deranged.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I see all of the tanks and healers regularly. There are only 4 of each.

I don’t see many monks out of all the dps. Assuming it’s one of the less popular jobs right now.

[GoatOfWar]

Pld and Drk bro's are completely overshadowed by War and Gnb right now. They look to be on the decline.
Can't say i'm surprised with the continued War favouritism. But hey, at least it doesn't affect me anymore.

[Silver-Strider]

I'm honestly disappointed in DT MNK. which is a shame because I have been mostly fine with MNK since it was my primary DPS job since HW. Now I just feel so bored with it since I no longer have to manage my timers and just have to follow the highlights the game feels I'm too stupid to do on my own. Just feels bad.

[GrizzlyTank]

I see all of the tanks and healers regularly. There are only 4 of each.

I don’t see many monks out of all the dps. Assuming it’s one of the less popular jobs right now.

Saw 4 monks (including me) in the last alliance roul.

I'm honestly disappointed in DT MNK. which is a shame because I have been mostly fine with MNK since it was my primary DPS job since HW. Now I just feel so bored with it since I no longer have to manage my timers and just have to follow the highlights the game feels I'm too stupid to do on my own. Just feels bad.

Personally found it kind of smoother. Also the change increased the steps in the rotation to such a degree that i can't use the cross-hotbar cheese i used previously.

Though can see it feel worse for keyboard.

[CamuiKushi]

Pld and Drk bro's are completely overshadowed by War and Gnb right now. They look to be on the decline.

I'm going through MSQ on PLD since I started as gladiator, but after that I'm jumping over to GNB just because PLD feels like "less good" GNB at the moment.

[wereotter]

Monk has been struggling ever since around patch 2.4 if we're being honest.

The power of trick attack and emnity management on the job was incredibly strong not to mention its ability to raise tank damage by increasing the damage bosses take from slashing damage types (something not removed from the game until Shadowbringers) The addition of dark knight in heavensward really didn't help this either since monk's previous party utility of making bosses deal less magic damage was made redundant when that ability was added to a tank's toolkit.

Monk saw a few bursts of increased player interest between then and its rework in Shadowbringers, but between then every time the job got something interesting, the devs considered it an oversight and patched the job to remove those playstyles. (tornado kick/wind tackle monk in stormblood is a good example of this)

Based on what I'm seeing from their recent patch notes, I question if anyone on the development team actually plays the job since they had said that with Dawntrail the addition of fury stack wouldn't change the job's rotation, which is incorrect. (twin snakes for 5 expansions was always used every other rotation and demolish every third where now twin snakes is used every third rotation and demolish every fourth)

A lot of what's hurting the job at this point is that its playstyle hasn't attracted a lot of new players while also removing the aspects of the job that long-time monk mains loved.

[Lynaval]

The fact you started this thread with...Hewwo...is off putting to say the least. I can't take anything serious after that.

[FuwafuwaMii]

I don't think MCH is dead, I see quite a lot of them around. MNK on the other hand..
Also BLM, there's rarely one in my parties.