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  1. #1
    Player
    Carin-Eri's Avatar
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    Carin Eri
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ConantSivrha View Post
    I’m the person who made the character shown in this comparison image, so I’d like to add my thoughts.

    I never really thought the update made my character look older, though if other face 4 users feel like this, I think I can see why. The corners of the new mouth do create an effect that could be interpreted as smile lines.

    What I personally take issue with is the feminized look of the new face. The nose looks smaller, the lips look doll-like, the eyelashes look bigger, and so on. This character’s appearance is now more in line with generic anime girl beauty standards (or, as one might say, “better”), but this is the opposite of what I intended for this character’s design. Beyond my own character, I think the changes to face 4 have reduced the variety of potential female miqo’te faces in an unfortunate way, since face 4 now looks more like the other three faces.
    Fair enough - I guess it is, like most things, subjective.

    As said earlier, I actually embrace the fact that my character looks ever so slightly older and prefer the changes:

    Left EW, Right DT.

    But I guess I can see why such changes, regardless of how slight, might bother others.
    (4)

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    Granyala's Avatar
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    Cerberus
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alesandra View Post
    Imagine you have a beautiful and UNIQUE Miqo Moon F4, she looks like 25 years old...... Then you won't be able to play for 48 hours just to realize when you can that your beautiful and unique Miqo is now a poor old lady in her 70s

    There is no Fantasia that can change this anymore, good job.

    Apart from the annoying Keeper Cataract (really they should make her pupils darker) and the obvious lighting/weather difference (look at the cloud colors), that character is the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alesandra View Post
    I'm sure they will make adjustments like they're gonna do with Housing which they also ruined.
    Honestly, outside of treating my Kitten's cataract, i don't want any "adjustments".
    If they want "adjustments", make them as additional options.
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    Last edited by Granyala; 07-09-2024 at 04:37 AM.

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    DarkMasamune's Avatar
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    Saoirse Almasy
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    Alpha
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Caps won't get you nowhere, except sounding childish.

    I think my character never looked better. She's gorgeous. I wanted to switch to femhroth before the update when DT came out, but when I saw my miqo, I absolutely adored her and decided not changing.

    You have every right not to like the update, but you just sound like a spoiled child acting this way and this isn't going to get you nowhere. There are multiple threads about this already. No need for another.
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Change is bad. But also the game never changes and that's also bad.

    These forums are hilarious.
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    Araxes's Avatar
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    Runic Raven
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    Zodiark
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    Blacksmith Lv 100
    I dunno man. I really love the new Graphics.

    More of a shame that some things are still low res.
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    Last edited by Araxes; 07-08-2024 at 06:41 PM.
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    Taliriah's Avatar
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    Makoto Hinata
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    Louisoix
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    Viper Lv 100
    I've never enjoyed the way my character looks as much as I do now. I didn't even use a fantasia to tweak anything.

    Anyway, even if tomorrow they brought the old models back they still wouldn't look the same because for that they'd also need to bring back the old shaders, the old lighting setup, the old environmental/weather settings. And they all looked awful compared to now.
    Looking at the screenshot above, you fell in love with your character's look when it had unrealistic lighting and skin shading that looked like plastic. That's on you.
    (6)
    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 04/07/2024. It was a fun almost one week

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    Aulainn's Avatar
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    Aure Rainn
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    Louisoix
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Alesandra View Post
    We never asked to destroy the game like this, so many years being so perfectly good and now is pure sad and irritating to play with these cartoonish, foolish, emotionless and lifeless models

    Why?
    I'll stick with the new stuff, thank you very much.


    (12)

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    Cutest Fox
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Aulainn View Post
    I'll stick with the new stuff, thank you very much.
    Yeah! Look at her glow-up in Dawntrail!



    Max settings btw

    Both pre-DT and DT have lighting issues, yet that's not what's being discussed here.
    The face models have changed. That's the problem. That's the whole point
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    Last edited by cutestfox; 07-08-2024 at 06:56 PM.

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    Taliriah's Avatar
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    Makoto Hinata
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    Louisoix
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by cutestfox View Post
    Both pre-DT and DT have lighting issues, yet that's not what's being discussed here.
    That's actually what's being discussed here, whether you understand it or not. The lack of subsurface scattering in the old shaders resulted in a much higher lighting contrast that drastically changed the way we perceived the shapes of the faces.

    Working with video game artists made me understand that every aspect of the visual perception of a game is entangled together. You can't point at a problem with models in isolation from the lighting, the weather, the tone mapping, and the shading.
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    Cutest Fox
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    That's actually what's being discussed here, whether you understand it or not. The lack of subsurface scattering in the old shaders resulted in a much higher lighting contrast that drastically changed the way we perceived the shapes of the faces.

    Working with video game artists made me understand that every aspect of the visual perception of a game is entangled together. You can't point at a problem with models in isolation from the lighting, the weather, the tone mapping, and the shading.
    You are the one who lacks an understanding, or perhaps you're just gaslighting, or trying to look smart
    The 3d models have already been ripped and overlaid on top of eachother. The differences which are noticed in the live game in any angle of lighting are also 1:1 to a completely unshaded mesh

    The "overall perception" is not what morphed my characters face and expressions into something different.
    The face shape is different, the lips are different, it's all different
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