[feedback] Hats, Hrothgars and Viera

[castaras]

Been really enjoying dawntrail(loved the story, loved wuk lamat, loved the new and old cast of npcs) and especially appreciated the graphics update and the new glams

It's very disappointing however that we're now 2 expansion packs past when f!Viera and m!Hrothgar were first released and hats are still a rarity to have show up on their heads. There's some gear where a token effort has been done (machinist artefact gear gives you the goggle/eyepatch, but not the hat) but there's multiple gearsets where there's still no hats. Especially so when I believe there has been confirmation that the team were working to make sure future hats would be able to be worn by viera and hrothgar. It's put a damper on what was otherwise a really good expansion pack that I've been unable to put down the past week and a bit.

[Arlythe]

Been really enjoying dawntrail(loved the story, loved wuk lamat, loved the new and old cast of npcs) and especially appreciated the graphics update and the new glams

It's very disappointing however that we're now 2 expansion packs past when f!Viera and m!Hrothgar were first released and hats are still a rarity to have show up on their heads. There's some gear where a token effort has been done (machinist artefact gear gives you the goggle/eyepatch, but not the hat) but there's multiple gearsets where there's still no hats. Especially so when I believe there has been confirmation that the team were working to make sure future hats would be able to be worn by viera and hrothgar. It's put a damper on what was otherwise a really good expansion pack that I've been unable to put down the past week and a bit.

Agree 100%. Same with hairstyles. Why don't we have all the hairstyles available to all the other races?
I mean, some hats are really hard to work around the big ears, but what's keeping them from either just remove the ears and hide them underneath the helmet or poke holes in the hats?

[Vahlnir]

Agree 100%. Same with hairstyles. Why don't we have all the hairstyles available to all the other races?
I mean, some hats are really hard to work around the big ears, but what's keeping them from either just remove the ears and hide them underneath the helmet or poke holes in the hats?

Since they have no issue with lettings things clip they could also just let the ears clip through headwear.

[GrizzlyTank]

Agree 100%. Same with hairstyles. Why don't we have all the hairstyles available to all the other races?
I mean, some hats are really hard to work around the big ears, but what's keeping them from either just remove the ears and hide them underneath the helmet or poke holes in the hats?

Because for some reason they designed viera and hroths heads slightly different than the other races.

[DrForester]

Hats are never going to happen. People playing Viera and Hrothgar are need to just accept that. 5 years after introducing the guys, they introduce female Hrothgar with all the same limitations. They didn't even bother adding in all the hairstyles that have been added to Viera and Hrothgar males for the last two years, despite working on those additions at the same time they were working on female Hrothgar. The new 7.0 treasure map hairstyle working with female Hrothgar does point to them drip feeding us new hairstyles as they did for the guys and Viera. But it really does showcase how little effort they put into these new races. They're satisfied leaving them as limited races.

I know YoshiP has said a few times "were working on it" but I don't buy it anymore. I actually think that the things were seeing in 7.0, where certain headpieces will show the face part, but not the head covering part IS their "solution". It'd be a half-assed solution, but it's the most they're ever going to do.

[Roda]

Agree 100%. Same with hairstyles. Why don't we have all the hairstyles available to all the other races?
I mean, some hats are really hard to work around the big ears, but what's keeping them from either just remove the ears and hide them underneath the helmet or poke holes in the hats?

Please no more amputating racial features ToT
Poke holes or create alterations to accommodate the massive ears like the 95 dungeon helm!!!

[ryouma17]

if a modder can create working hats for viera/hrothgar then theres no excuse for square refusing to do it

[Isala]

Hats are never going to happen. People playing Viera and Hrothgar are need to just accept that. 5 years after introducing the guys, they introduce female Hrothgar with all the same limitations. They didn't even bother adding in all the hairstyles that have been added to Viera and Hrothgar males for the last two years, despite working on those additions at the same time they were working on female Hrothgar. The new 7.0 treasure map hairstyle working with female Hrothgar does point to them drip feeding us new hairstyles as they did for the guys and Viera. But it really does showcase how little effort they put into these new races. They're satisfied leaving them as limited races.

I know YoshiP has said a few times "were working on it" but I don't buy it anymore. I actually think that the things were seeing in 7.0, where certain headpieces will show the face part, but not the head covering part IS their "solution". It'd be a half-assed solution, but it's the most they're ever going to do.

I hate to say it, but the introduction of "limited races" was pretty much the exact moment where we could pinpoint their change in design attitude. That they were willing to half-ass two entire Races was a giant beacon for just how half-assed everything has been since then. Where getting it done RIGHT took a back seat to just getting it done. And that attitude has shaped so very much these last few expansions, as they doubled down on those idiotic decisions time and time again.

[Vahlnir]

I hate to say it, but the introduction of "limited races" was pretty much the exact moment where we could pinpoint their change in design attitude. That they were willing to half-ass two entire Races was a giant beacon for just how half-assed everything has been since then. Where getting it done RIGHT took a back seat to just getting it done. And that attitude has shaped so very much these last few expansions, as they doubled down on those idiotic decisions time and time again.

Yep. It was at that time I started to become disillusioned. There was no good excuse for it.

[crovius]

What's funny is if you play scholar as a hrothgar and use the Seraphism ability to turn into a fairy for a moment, your hrothgar is clearly wearing a hooded hat/helmet that hrothgars normally are not able to wear.

So they definitely are able to do it.