90% of Dawntrail MSQ could be a side quest

[Tunda]

Really what is this nonsense?

As we just know that yoshi p said that it since a new story as if it is going to be somewhat nearly as good as realm reborn.. but he'll no we got some side quest doing nonsense quests with Sphene and Wuk Lamar

Really I am not against wuk Lamar.. but I think that the writing team can't really figure out how to write a story for woman leader..
Sometime I miss how they write limsa leader she was badass not like the other ones

Story wise it is one of the worst stories I have seen in FFXIV it is above stormblod(4.0) and below endwalker which was a flop in my opinion.


If we write a story that could start a new journey it must be at the same level of realm reborn or above.
This is not promising and I am considering skipping from now on.

Just Introduce a character like Rahban and call it a day.. tbh my best parts was when we meet Gulol ja ja thats it!

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

What? Y ou didn't enjoy your Wuk Lamat's sidekick fantasy? How come?

[AnnRam]

The entire DT expansion could it be 2 patches instead of forcing us to pay 40 usd for exactly more of the same.

Literally the same quest design from 2.0.

And then again the main city with its tedious as hell like Sharlayan to navigate but worse = no mounts allowed or swimming

3/10.

[Souljacker]

Really I am not against wuk Lamar.. but I think that the writing team can't really figure out how to write a story for woman leader..

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The problem is often that these types of writers think "woman leader" has to be written wholly differently than "leader". They try too hard to step into an experience they very possibly have never lived. That's hard to do.

But I don't think that's the problem here. They write the males as over-the-top ridiculous as they write the females, it's just bad writing without bringing sexism into it. And there are several examples of very well-written female characters in this game so, let's just leave our internalized misogyny at the door, yea?

SE didn't hit it out of the park with this xpac, but there's lots of reasons for that.

[Donze]

I kept a list of things during the MSQ that didnt make sense to me.

I did this before for all other expansions, and it was only a couple things here or there, most all of which get resolved eventually or by sidequests.

For Dawntrail, the list is huge, and I just finished the MSQ.

The TLDR For Dawntrail is: Estinien had the vacation we were promised

[Nucah]

I kept a list of things during the MSQ that didnt make sense to me.

I did this before for all other expansions, and it was only a couple things here or there, most all of which get resolved eventually or by sidequests.

For Dawntrail, the list is huge, and I just finished the MSQ.

The TLDR For Dawntrail is: Estinien had the vacation we were promised

I'd actually love to see your list and see how it compares to mine lol.

[duckorz]

I mean, the yellow/blue quests were outright better than the MSQ this time around in writing quality, so I think the story would have been improved by replacing all of the mundane "talk to 3 identical npc's with copypasted dialogue" with a single blue quest with an actual side character. For as much as this expansion was ostensibly about "getting to know and understand new cultures," I got way more of that out of the sidequests than I got out of the main story.

[Turtledeluxe]

Yes. A beast tribe quest specifically.

[Kaurhz]

I would put it above ARR and Stormblood, but not above the others.

I'm sorry, but over half of the quests in ARR, even after pruning constitute as side-quest material.

I didn't expect massive things from this story, but I simply think they had the wrong angle for how to approach the story. The whole succession story should have been going on, on the side, and then adventures should have been the focal point, even if they were essentially self-contained adventures for each zone. Shaaloani was a good example. Then the end of the story should have been resolving the whole succession story, rather than it being focal for half of the story.

I don't think the problem is that they don't know how to write a female leader. The problem is just that it was incredibly aggressive with pushing the character into every single facet of the story, and we as the players should never been in positions where we are supporting or installing people into a position of power. In this regard, "Less is more", so to speak. Like, I probably wouldn't have found it as bad had Wuk Lamat taken to the bench a bit for the latter half, but they just had to continue, and continue and continue to push for no reason other than "Can't we just live in peace" - This for me just completely overshadowed what little 'character development' Wuk got.

[Malthir]

I would put it above ARR and Stormblood, but not above the others.

I'm sorry, but over half of the quests in ARR, even after pruning constitute as side-quest material.

I didn't expect massive things from this story, but I simply think they had the wrong angle for how to approach the story. The whole succession story should have been going on, on the side, and then adventures should have been the focal point, even if they were essentially self-contained adventures for each zone. Shaaloani was a good example. Then the end of the story should have been resolving the whole succession story, rather than it being focal for half of the story.

I don't think the problem is that they don't know how to write a female leader. The problem is just that it was incredibly aggressive with pushing the character into every single facet of the story, and we as the players should never been in positions where we are supporting or installing people into a position of power. In this regard, "Less is more", so to speak. Like, I probably wouldn't have found it as bad had Wuk Lamat taken to the bench a bit for the latter half, but they just had to continue, and continue and continue to push for no reason other than "Can't we just live in peace" - This for me just completely overshadowed what little 'character development' Wuk got.

I would actually put this below ARR personally. The pacing is pretty much as bad as ARR but at least the content and character dev is there in ARR, this has none of that. When it comes to world building ARR is better, dungeon designs, ARR is better. We got more twice as many dungeons with interesting layouts and self contained stories in ARR. This expac has shiny new graphics which are a meh for most people, the tiny tiny little bits of foliage that slightly bend as you run past at 80mph so can't even really notice them, but you mount wobbles so woooooo I guess.