What has the job team been doing this whole time?

[Verathel]

FF14 has been the moneymaker for Square Enix for a very long time now, the problem is often the leadership at Square that has been changed numerous times these last few years and they often had wildly unrealistic expectations.

FF16 by realistic standards has done fantastically well and the game has been overall a 8.5 to 10 for most people so it's very good but Square as stated above doesn't consider the game to be a success which is nuts. They also put way too much emphasis on NFT's and terrible projects that anyone with half a brain would have seen the problems from a mile away.

They're chasing money in terrible ways and honestly FF14 has kept them alive very hard especially the last 4 years.

[Aluja89]

I find it funny how everyone convinced themselves these issues are new. They've been here for 5 years but I'm glad everyone is realizing it now.

[Azlith]

I find it funny how everyone convinced themselves these issues are new. They've been here for 5 years but I'm glad everyone is realizing it now.

Many people, like myself have known of these issues for years. Just because someone is airing their grievances in the current moment doesn't mean that those grievances are new for them. If, however, more people are catching on to issues like these then I agree that thats a great thing

[Souljacker]

I don't think it's any surprise that the WoW class dev brains are light years ahead of FFXIV's job dev brains. Of all the problems with WoW that people complain about, I don't think their class design philosophy (read: separate from balance, which is an issue in every game ever) has ever been a very prominent one. It's why the game still has such a strong endgame scene despite the story, leveling, and metagame being kind of middling.

Except for that one time when they butchered Survival Hunter. The brains must have been on holiday.

I renewed my sub there (I really dislike this xpac THAT much) and you're right. On my paladin, not only does it "feel" like a paladin with all the things I'd expect a paladin to be able to do (heal wounds, smite the wicked, protect the allies), the abilities and skill tree are well thought out, flow together, and there's no buttons for the sake of having more buttons. Everything fits neatly into my two main hotbars and I have plenty of spaces for "Extras" I might want to use.

Contrast that with Paladin in XIV. There's no class fantasy. No identity beyond "tank with sword and board". No versatility. My bars are littered with a bunch of buttons, some of which are just "press once every ~30 second cooldown" because that's supposedly engaging game play. Just more buttons.

In XIV I find myself looking FAR too much at the hotbars and timers and far too little at the encounters themselves. This design is laughably bad.

[Aluja89]

Many people, like myself have known of these issues for years. Just because someone is airing their grievances in the current moment doesn't mean that those grievances are new for them. If, however, more people are catching on to issues like these then I agree that thats a great thing

Well, yeah. It was very difficult to criticize this team but since DT's release, criticism across the board is all I see, which is a good thing.

[Endy_Sinkai]

To be completely honest I am starting to have the crack pot theory that the Graphical Update took away 90% of the devs resources for this expansion.

Like I for the life of me have no vlue how you could green lit the Jobs msq and the environmental design of this expansion. The first 3 zones are basically copies of one another with slight differences.

And the jobs have to now be completely reworked for 8.0.

This expansion has so so many issues its kinda unreal at this point.

[Iedarus]

sage...very great jobs since their release, very well designed.

Sage was so safe on release it was stale before it was even playable. No interactions with Kardia, no high APM damage kit to potentially accelerate Kardia procs, nothing.

[gllt]

Not saying this to defend the dev team but I think about how bad square is with money and I like to imagine they just give the devs the Japanese equivalent of $20 and a large supreme pizza and then eat a slice out of the pizza and leave and that's the resources

Too busy investing in whatever buzzword

Also the graphical update has been nothing but clown shoes so if it took away all the dev time from the rest of the game then LOL

Edit: can't post again right now so for clarification

I'm talking less about the completion progress of the graphical update and more about the plethora of bugs and accessibility issues it launched with. I can't even play the game right now because it gives me a severe headache from eye strain.

[Zordrage]

Not saying this to defend the dev team but I think about how bad square is with money and I like to imagine they just give the devs the Japanese equivalent of $20 and a large supreme pizza and then eat a slice out of the pizza and leave and that's the resources

Too busy investing in whatever buzzword

Also the graphical update has been nothing but clown shoes so if it took away all the dev time from the rest of the game then LOL

The graphical update is still ongoing just saying.
They are planing to update all the older expansion zones this expansion, With almost every majort update like 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 etcetcetc they plan to update an expansion.

[Connor]

At this point I genuinely believe they did one of two things:

Pull random ideas from a hat and immediately implement them
Had an AI create the new ability ideas.

These are the only two reasonable explanations I have for why job are the way they are now lol. Either way it’s extreme laziness on the developers and very much gives the impression that they literally cannot be fucked with making jobs fun, balanced or interesting. Like they literally just want to take the easiest possible path at every opportunity.

I mean, look at how much of a joke Astrologian’s cards are right now. They literally just said ‘let’s just made 3/6 cards literally do the exact same as their normal gcd spell’