Why not having "Difficult" jobs?

[Isala]

A lot of people will say it's the casuals, but I actually feel like simplifying jobs is more oriented toward savage raiders.

Nope. My entire raid team is in disbelief that they're neutering the Jobs beyond turbo casual levels, and hate the beyond moronic obsession with the two minute meta.

My casual friends are questioning who finds the Jobs they're having fun on hard. They might not nail their rotations, or their positionals all the time, but don't want to see them get destroyed even further. We've had casual [x] job "mains" actually leave the Jobs they love because "These suck to play now."

These designs are literally for nobody. Not you. Not me. Not our friends. Not our raid groups. Not even the most baby of sprouts. I would know. I've literally watched a few who have finally reached Heavensward, playing through the game for the first time, and even THEY aren't having issues learning how to play their classes. They might react a little slow to mechanics PLUS uptime, but who of us didn't the first time we played?

So I ask. Seriously. Who are these for? Because it feels like the only people who think this design is good, is the dev team that has gone on record stating that they suck at the game compared to their playerbase, and that they had to remove one of their healer testers for dungeons, because they cleared an Extreme. When the bar is low enough for testing that an Extreme disqualifies you, I truly question who on that team actually understands anything in this game.

[sindriiisgaming]

You can't have only 8 high skill jobs because then you'll create a meta that trashes the rest. As for why jobs didn't get harder. The explanation was that first they're making mecanics harder. And to be fair. They did and are. Both at once would been to much for 99% of the players

[Tunda]

You can't have only 8 high skill jobs because then you'll create a meta that trashes the rest. As for why jobs didn't get harder. The explanation was that first they're making mecanics harder. And to be fair. They did and are. Both at once would been to much for 99% of the players

I am not saying 20% higher damage or something.. BTW if look into the graphs there is 25% damage difference NOW in DPS look at fflog

[Hanayumi]

Realistically yes they should unbalance the difficulty of jobs and let those who like difficult rotations to enjoy themselves and those enjoy the ease to have it thier way too. At point there is enough jobs around that this can be easily doable. Really the only 2 things are holding this idea back "aesthetics" and "content difficult," basically "I want to play this job because how it looks but its too hard" and "These jobs make so and so content stupidly easy..."

[sindriiisgaming]

I am not saying 20% higher damage or something.. BTW if look into the graphs there is 25% damage difference NOW in DPS look at fflog

The balancing is allways wack pre 7.1. That's why picto is better than blm. They'll fix it eventually

[Battler-Ushiromiya]

why not just have a role that have high skill ceiling?

for example:

Tanks that have high skill ceiling can put higher damage than others but require more skill.

DPS that have high skill ceiling can put higher damage than others but require more skill.

Healer that have high skill ceiling can put higher party support than others but require more skill.

I don't want to see Viper turn into new Dark Knight.

It's unironically the poopsocking ultimate players that cause this to happen. It's never had anything to do with casuals because if it did, every bad change this forum begs for would be implemented

[Ozmandis]

We can only speculate and it would be cool to have an official communication for the matter because nobody actually feels in line with devs vision, even the JP players. My own speculation is that they're not listening to feedback but are rather looking at internal statistics on jobs like pick rate, how much people are playing it "wrong" etc. I know for a fact that they did this process for tanks in ShB because they were not happy that they were not enough tank players and it worked wonderfully so I guess they're trying to do the same with the rest of the jobs without understanding why it worked in the first place. It's a common pitfall that ruins video games to look at statistics without a critical eye, DBD is particulary egregious in that regard because they litterally balance the game in order to make each killer have a 50% win rate while ignoring everything else and got shocked when during the first official tournament, everybody picked the least played killer because it is actually OP af.

[Verathel]

Final Fantasy is not the only game where classes in end game content causes a lot of tension and problems. WOW has a similar but even more extreme problem where you have people who can do the content better than 99 percent of players and wanting things balanced their way so they have a better time.

There are those who can do all forms of harder content but find the max/min philosophy that too many are obsessed with in WOW to be tedious and not worth it. Then you have more of the casuals and decent players in between all that with all sorts of opinions. It's a freaking mess.

[Boblawblah]

If you had a "difficult" job but it did the same dps as everyone else, would you be okay with that?

[Ozmandis]

If you had a "difficult" job but it did the same dps as everyone else, would you be okay with that?

I'm pretty sure a lot of people would say "yes" without a second though. I think most of us agree that's fine to have easy and hard jobs coexisting that appeal to different people as long as everybody is having fun.

EDIT : imo it's more a matter of identity and playstyle variety than difficulty that matters anyway. We all have different fantasies and that's what matter.