FFXIV Dawntrail reviews are out on Metacritic

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Why do people think a 0/10 game is equally as common or reasonable as a 10/10 game? There are way more 10/10 games than 0/10 games. No one in the history of metacritic has seriously given a game a 0/10 in good faith unless it’s like Big Rig Truckers or ET for the Atari. If there are an unusual amount of 10s it’s because people are doing that in response to 0/10 reviews.

Review aggregates should delete 0/10s since review bombing is cringe and is often done for stupid bigoted reasons, like when the last of us show was review bombed for having a gay character. If you disagree you probably like to review bomb yourself

[Voidmage]

Why do people think a 0/10 game is equally as common or reasonable as a 10/10 game? There are way more 10/10 games than 0/10 games. No one in the history of metacritic has seriously given a game a 0/10 in good faith unless it’s like Big Rig Truckers or ET for the Atari. If there are an unusual amount of 10s it’s because people are doing that in response to 0/10 reviews.

Review aggregates should delete 0/10s since review bombing is cringe and is often done for stupid bigoted reasons, like when the last of us show was review bombed for having a gay character. If you disagree you probably like to review bomb yourself

You are gaslighting.
0/10 is as unrealistic as 10/10. Both are extremes with no substance and only exist because the scale needs a limit.
Is Dt a 0? No but it's also not a ten, even if you like the MSQ there are problems like few Gameplay in between, Jobs right now or still buggy stuff. I think it's more a 6 or 7.

I know no game that should have a 10/10. The only game even coming close for me would be Terranigma or Chrono Trigger and even then these games had obvious flaws.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Yopu are gaslighting.
0/10 is as unrealistic as 10/10. Both are extremes with no substance and only exist because the scale needs a limit.
Is Dt a 0? No but it's also not a ten, even if you like the MSQ there are problems like few Gameplay in between, Jobs right now or still buggy stuff. I think it's more a 6 or 7.

I know no game that should have a 10/10. The only game even coming close for me would be Terranigma or Chrono Trigger and even then these games had oboius flaws.

First off I am not here to claim that DT is a 10/10, because I do not hold that opinion. However it is leagues and bounds closer to being a 10 than a 0. In fact most games are closer to being a 10 than being a 0 because most games are functioning products that are completely playable and are fun. If Shadowbringers is what a 10/10 ffxiv expansion looks like then DT is much closer to that than to Atari on the ET.

Most people do not say 10/10 to mean “literally perfect with no flaws”. It means “this is as good as media can get for me reasonably”. Dragon Quest 11 S is a 10/10 for me even though it has some clear flaws like a repetitive soundtrack, but it was a top 10 of all time gaming experience for me.

If you were to scrape every review from every outlet you’d find exponentially more 10s than 1s or 0s (inb4 “game journo bad” and ignoring the overall point). 10 is the less extreme score.

Let’s take a pretty mixed game like Assassin Creed Valhalla. If your buddy says the game is a 10 for him I’d find that opinion a lot more understandable than if he claimed it was a 0/10.

For the former I’m thinking “hey that game is not a 10 for me at all but it’s pretty well made, is fun in a lot of ways, has good graphics, etc so I guess I can see why he would personally think that.”

For the latter I’m thinking “jeez I don’t even like Assassin’s Creed but a 0/10?? The game had no redeeming qualities at all?”

What you are doing is making a false equivalence, plain and simple

[Voidmage]

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No I am not making false equivalence. I agree that it is closer to a 10 then to a 0 but nothing more.
Neither a 0 nor a 10 are realistic. One says a game is broken (like you said correctly) and the other says that a game is perfect, not that is is "as god as media can get for me reasonably", that would be a 9.5 more likely.
You are implying that a 10 is more realistic then a 0 because a person might think that a game is perfect for them but that's just as subjective as a 0 itelf.

You are right that I would probably find more 10's then 0's but what do we read of that? That more people loved those games instead of hating them? What do we do with that information? Or is it just a number that get's thrown around the most?
Every score is a subjective number of a person, nothing more nothing less. There are people that score media as a living but they also are human first and foremost, that's why "rotten tomatoes" exist.
For example, I give DT a 6 simply because I weight the MSQ as more important then the rest of the game. Another person might give it a 8 because they don't really care for the story.

At the end of the day most of those who give DT a bad score are those who give the MSQ more weight then the rest and didn't like it.
Those who give a good score are those who give the MSQ more weight and loved it or are not interested in it.
Neither side is correct but even the gaming websites are divided with their scores so this expansion and say what you want. If an expansion splits the players in two (this hasn't happened before) then that is a problem.

Either way I need to go to bed so I will stop here for now. I don't even really know why we are discussing how to interpred scores tbh.
Thanks for the discussion.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

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Again, you are in the minority for having the most literal interpretation of what a 10/10 is. By this definition no piece of art can be a 10/10 because no piece of art is perfect (except for Super Mario Galaxy 2). So why do people frequently say certain games are 10/10 for them? These people aren’t saying it is literally perfect and flawless.

And the reason 10a are more common because games we actually know about are made by competent teams of professionals, not shovelware on the Ouya store. I don’t know why people think game scores have to have a statistically perfect spread of scores. Most mainstream games are pretty good actually. If I were to go to a farmer’s market and examine every apple they sell there, only a few of them would be rotten or inedible, whereas most would be tasty apples. If someone else ate the apple and was like “man this is a perfect apple to me” I wouldn’t be all like “NO NO that is unreasonable you are biased and using the scale wrong!”.

[Maxilor]

Again, you are in the minority for having the most literal interpretation of what a 10/10 is. By this definition no piece of art can be a 10/10 because no piece of art is perfect (except for Super Mario Galaxy 2). So why do people frequently say certain games are 10/10 for them? These people aren’t saying it is literally perfect and flawless.

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[Amh_Wilzuun]

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Chat literally what the hell did he mean by this?

[DaveFishnomer]

Why do people think a 0/10 game is equally as common or reasonable as a 10/10 game? There are way more 10/10 games than 0/10 games. No one in the history of metacritic has seriously given a game a 0/10 in good faith unless it’s like Big Rig Truckers or ET for the Atari. If there are an unusual amount of 10s it’s because people are doing that in response to 0/10 reviews.

Review aggregates should delete 0/10s since review bombing is cringe and is often done for stupid bigoted reasons, like when the last of us show was review bombed for having a gay character. If you disagree you probably like to review bomb yourself

I disagree here, what do you mean you cant give a 0/10 in good faith? I think the story is a 0/10 I decide that the story is the most important part of the game, that is, that would be what I would remmber this game for 5 years from today, even if raids are a 10/10 the total for me would still be a 0 that is not in a bad faith and the fact that you dismiss everyone else's opinions just shows who is acting in "bad faith" here

[Amh_Wilzuun]

I disagree here, what do you mean you cant give a 0/10 in good faith? I think the story is a 0/10 I decide that the story is the most important part of the game, that is, that would be what I would remmber this game for 5 years from today, even if raids are a 10/10 the total for me would still be a 0 that is not in a bad faith and the fact that you dismiss everyone else's opinions just shows who is acting in "bad faith" here

Name a 0/10 game you have played and explain why without using bad dev behavior outside the game as the reason.

[ClayyLmao]

Why do people think a 0/10 game is equally as common or reasonable as a 10/10 game? There are way more 10/10 games than 0/10 games. No one in the history of metacritic has seriously given a game a 0/10 in good faith unless it’s like Big Rig Truckers or ET for the Atari. If there are an unusual amount of 10s it’s because people are doing that in response to 0/10 reviews.

Review aggregates should delete 0/10s since review bombing is cringe and is often done for stupid bigoted reasons, like when the last of us show was review bombed for having a gay character. If you disagree you probably like to review bomb yourself