On the Removal of Positionals

[W00by]

See? You keep changing topics. "I raided as this and this 5 years ago", "Valigarmanda"etc. etc. Are we talking about Arcadion (and specifically those two mechanics) or not? I didn't insinuate that casters are never hard and I also didn't accuse you of it, either. Please, quote my exact words where I supposedly accuse of that, I'll wait.

Then, you backpedal and say that yes, they are harder on casters if you want to play optimally... Exactly like positionals. Yet, you only make it a big deal when talking about melee.

Well, this is a thread about melees, not cast times?... I could talk about what mechanics are really harsh for casters, if you want. But I'm only "making a big deal about melee" because this is a melee thread... I only keep mentioning content like Valigarmanda or Shadowbringers because you're jumping down my throat making wild accusations at me and I have to defend myself. You never literally say "you think casters are easy," but you describe me as part of a melee circlejerk and that I am meleesplaining your role. Those are accusations, my friend.

Anyways, I agree that BLM is a different job right now. But with experiences that I had on BLM, I can triangulate my opinions on current BLM. For instance, the heart mechanic is very similar to one of Byakko EX's Aramitama mechanics, where you are dodging orbs that radiate from the center of the arena. I did that on BLM and found it easy. From the PoVs of BLM I have watched, heart looks pretty easy too if you move away from other players so you arent getting extra AoE baits. But I'll be sure to let you know when I level it.

I earnestly believe these two mechanics are easier on casters. RDM aside, I think every fight in the game is easy on SMN. And you keep ignoring that I have spoken to and watched people play these jobs! If, to have an opinion about something, you had to be the best player in the world at that thing, then none of us could ever talk about jobs ever again.

I truly do feel it's easier. You can try and ignore the things I'm mentioning to prove I have no expertise, but it just digs a deeper hole for you.

[Galvuu]

I earnestly believe these two mechanics are easier on casters. RDM aside, I think every fight in the game is easy on SMN.

In fairness, if you define a "caster" as a "class whose damage/gcds are gated behind lengthy cast times", SMN is not a caster. It's basically a "magical physical ranged". So it should be excluded from the comparison.
It's the easiest dps job in the game anyway.

Fwiw, those two mechanics (lariat combo into others stuff) and Honey B.'s bullcrap felt, to me, as bad on Picto/BLM as they did on melee. It just feels awful. Melee has an easier time with uptime, but they deal with way more hearts. Casters need to deal with "move then stop then move" due to the aoes with the occasional heart, which is awful too. Lariat is because of the side being random, so you can't "premove" at all, it's more move > stop > move.
(I still agree with you, I feel this is an instance where melee need to sweat as much as casters, which makes it strange some people say that "melee is free"... it's not in these two fights).

[rewd]

Well, this is a thread about melees, not cast times?... I could talk about what mechanics are really harsh for casters, if you want. But I'm only "making a big deal about melee" because this is a melee thread... I only keep mentioning content like Valigarmanda or Shadowbringers because you're jumping down my throat making wild accusations at me and I have to defend myself. You never literally say "you think casters are easy," but you describe me as part of a melee circlejerk and that I am meleesplaining your role. Those are accusations, my friend.

Anyways, I agree that BLM is a different job right now. But with experiences that I had on BLM, I can triangulate my opinions on current BLM. For instance, the heart mechanic is very similar to one of Byakko EX's Aramitama mechanics, where you are dodging orbs that radiate from the center of the arena. I did that on BLM and found it easy. From the PoVs of BLM I have watched, heart looks pretty easy too if you move away from other players so you arent getting extra AoE baits. But I'll be sure to let you know when I level it.

I earnestly believe these two mechanics are easier on casters. RDM aside, I think every fight in the game is easy on SMN. And you keep ignoring that I have spoken to and watched people play these jobs! If, to have an opinion about something, you had to be the best player in the world at that thing, then none of us could ever talk about jobs ever again.

I truly do feel it's easier. You can try and ignore the things I'm mentioning to prove I have no expertise, but it just digs a deeper hole for you.

It's a melee thread... And you talked about casters. I can quote the exact message if you want (but there's no need to).

I'm not making "wild accusations", I'm describing reality. You are saying those mechanics are very easy on casters, I'm saying you only played RDM. Is it wrong? No, so it's not an accusation. If we want to talk about accusations, let's not forget you were the one accusing me of something I never said...

Anyway, I'm sorry but arguing with you is a complete waste of time, so I'll stop here. "M2 is easy on BLM because I did Byakko EX 6 years ago and found it easy" is an insult to one's intelligence. Not to mention how you default to SMN when we are speaking about casters (otherwise, we would be saying magical ranged DPS) because it is convenient for you. You are not in good faith, so cheers.

[W00by]

Well, I brought up casters in comparison to melee. It was one small sentence about positionals being hard in certain mechanics is sometimes harder than casters, and you turned it into all this. Judging by other player's responses, I don' think I'm out of line here.

You're still ignoring the insights I have from other stuff, just harping on "you only play RDM!" when I've repeatedly demonstrated understanding beyond that, but I'll tell you what, rewd. I like ya. If you can provide one piece of evidence to me that proves you're a really good BLM player--that your angry ravings are worth as much as the years of experience of myself and other players--I will rescind everything I've said. It can be an impressive log, or proof of an Ultimate clear on BLM, or a vod of you playing.

If you can show me that you are impressive at BLM, then I will believe you. But right now, your hollow arguments don't prove anything and I will trust the words of experienced players like myself and my friends. Until you can do that, I have to assume you're just raging over personal frustrations.