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    Retsu90's Avatar
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    Elina Serat
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    Nah, it's switching from Fire3 to use Ice Paradox, to switch back to hit Fire Paradox. Those 4 actions are the only rotation you need.
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    Vanitas Archiviste
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    Quote Originally Posted by awhitet View Post
    Flare star just feels like despair 2.0, doesn't have that much potency and you cannot even carry the stacks into umbral ice.
    Agree with all of what you said, but this is really the crux of the issue for me, I could live with maybe most of these changes bar the ones to Paradox even though I don't like them, but flare star takes these new issues and exacerbates them I feel.

    A major concern I have is that they'll only see the potency issues with Flare Star and just buff it, but I think that'll just make the core issues of how rigid the rotation is + Astral soul mechanics not being great even worse. The way you lose all astral soul stacks when switching phases makes having to end a phase early feel even worse than before, prior you knew you were already losing dps but at least that was better than losing enochain altogether, losing your big finishing spell because you're trying to adjust for the fast pace of fights does not feel great at all.

    You also just lose flare star during any downtime whatsover, I just got to level 100 a few days ago but I already can't count how many times I've lost the spell because a boss leaves/becomes untargetable/goes into a cutscene, the fact that you can't store astral soul stacks at all feels like a huge oversight imo. I also keep accidentally overcapping it because of the manafont buff and I forget to cast it in the midst of a fight while I'm trying to keep AF up, but that may be just a skill issue on my part as I learn to use it.
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    Ferrinus Prime
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    I only recently got to 100 so I'm still getting used to the new Flare Star paradigm. The class feels like it's easier to play safe but harder to play optimally and I'm actually enjoying it but I'll have more to say once I've done more EXDRs and beaten the Extremes.

    One thing, though, is that complaints about instant paradox making the astral timer tighter don't really make sense to me. They just mean that clearance that used to exist in the second half of your astral phase is now available, instead, in your first. So instead of having 15 seconds less a GCD and then another 15 seconds, you have 15 seconds followed by 15 seconds less a GCD. In fact, you have another 15 seconds minus a GCD if you're willing to just throw your F3P then and there rather than save it for a transpose swap out of your ice phase.
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    Kyara Melethron
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    i've done a few dungeons on BLM for leveling and i'm not level 100 yet, but i haven't had problems with the AF timers being too tight as people keep saying

    i can easily do 3 GCDs > paradox > 3gcds > F3 > 2gcds >despair as a "comfort" rotation, but i've also fit 4gcds between refreshes when i had to (especially with triple cast or leylines)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melethron123 View Post
    i've done a few dungeons on BLM for leveling and i'm not level 100 yet, but i haven't had problems with the AF timers being too tight as people keep saying

    i can easily do 3 GCDs > paradox > 3gcds > F3 > 2gcds >despair as a "comfort" rotation, but i've also fit 4gcds between refreshes when i had to (especially with triple cast or leylines)
    Yeah, this is what I was getting at before. If you use F3P in the same fire phase that you get it, and save your two triplecasts and 40s cd swiftcast for emergencies, it's very easy to maintain AF and never miss a Flare Star.

    ...buuut it's higher DPS to use your triple/swift/f3p proc at very specific times in order to shave as many seconds off your casting, and dodge as many wrong-element damage penalties, as you can. Unfortunately, if you do this it's much easier to get caught with your pants down and lose uptime, Flare Star, or even Enochian all together. So BLM is a lot more about risk management and corner-cutting; it feels a little like playing the job in Heavensward where you were constantly gambling on how long you could go before refreshing AF.

    It definitely feels harder to play than it used to be, but I don't mind yet. Maybe it'll bother me as I go but so far it's a new and interesting challenge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrinus View Post
    Yeah, this is what I was getting at before. If you use F3P in the same fire phase that you get it, and save your two triplecasts and 40s cd swiftcast for emergencies, it's very easy to maintain AF and never miss a Flare Star.

    ...buuut it's higher DPS to use your triple/swift/f3p proc at very specific times in order to shave as many seconds off your casting, and dodge as many wrong-element damage penalties, as you can. Unfortunately, if you do this it's much easier to get caught with your pants down and lose uptime, Flare Star, or even Enochian all together. So BLM is a lot more about risk management and corner-cutting; it feels a little like playing the job in Heavensward where you were constantly gambling on how long you could go before refreshing AF.

    It definitely feels harder to play than it used to be, but I don't mind yet. Maybe it'll bother me as I go but so far it's a new and interesting challenge.
    I did an expert boss and had to move or something or other and i only got 5 fire IVs off seeing that star thing being 5/6 and im sitting here goin wtf so now my dispair is now nerfed? its like we dont have any backup plan when something goes wrong like how you can fillar thunderspark proc when you need to move... or the tranpose into ice I because of a late fire III proc, release all fillars as you get mp back to transpose back into fire , so you have a buffed firestarter proc with full mp.

    when i first tried that in dt i was like wtf is this where is ny mp????
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    Shara Ymir
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    Thanks for the valuable and polite feedback OP. I hope that devs listen to our concerns.
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    Deryk Gorey
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    If they added back ice paradox, make thunder buff 45s and let's say make blizzard 3 give 5k mp and b4 5k mp the job would feel way better imo, you would have more options. They should also add the option to use flare star at lower potency if you use it with less stacks.
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    Rekuja Azalon
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    BLM just needs an overall rework, it's simply not fun and that's why you rarely see any BLM anymore. Throughout all of Dawntrail I haven't encountered a BLM in my dungeons.... they need to shake things up and remove this whole "you're a turret, do turret things" that's why classes like Picto are very enjoyable, because of the mobility.
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