Ninja, do we need it?

[viion]

Yes to anything that is Dual wield.... even if its Culinarian.

[Heartfire]

I think the problem isn't necessarily the class itself, or even Utsusemi. I think the problem is just having any ability that is absolutely required for most situations. What was frustrating about /nin in XI was the fact that every job eventually had to do it. Even White Mages!

It wouldn't have been so bad if it wasn't so over-powered that everyone needed to use it, and if it hadn't been based on consumables. I think SE might have said, "We're okay with this, because it forces players to spend more time getting ninja-tools, rather than completing content."

I wouldn't mind seeing more Final Fantasy jobs, like Ninja or Samurai. But if we're going to have Ninjas again, can we at least let other tank classes like Paladin or Warrior do a decent job of tanking without needing Shadows? It felt like such a cop-out that it took the entire creative part of the sub-job system out of the game. I mean, think about when Blue Mage came out. At first, no one knew what it should be. Cocoon Tank? Healing breeze? Debuffs? No one knew what role it could play in a party. So for a while, /war /thf and even /whm were poplar subs. Eventually people just said, meh /nin works for everything. Why bother?

So no... no game-breakers please. Or at least anything that boring. It saps the creativity out of the game.

[Akumu]

I would love if they kept nin away from tanking but meh. I just think its weird for a ninja to just walk through a base and grab everyones attention. Also, utsusemi(if added) should be exclusive.

[Visch]

If NIN wasn't a tank and was a DD it would have been played by all fail weeaboos. Kind of like most SAMs were lol.

[Evovenom]

Yeah, we need ninja, hopefully it comes equip to tank too or semi.

[Evangela]

Ninja shouldn't be a tanker from the beginning, they are NOT a warrior type at all, they more like assassin, their job is assassinate, stalking, stealing, spy, using poison and traps and tools, cheap shot killing

if you want a japanese tanker, Samurai is the better choice, another type of warrior

their weapon are not the same type

Samurai mostly use a two-handed katana

Ninja use one-handed or both-handed

[Visch]

Ninja shouldn't be a tanker from the beginning, they are NOT a warrior type at all, they more like assassin, their job is assassinate, stalking, stealing, spy, using poison and traps and tools, cheap shot killing

if you want a japanese tanker, Samurai is the better choice, another type of warrior

their weapon are not the same type

Samurai mostly use a two-handed katana

Ninja use one-handed or both-handed

A Thm tanked and solo'd Dodore. Who are you to say a Ninja shouldn't tank? It was never intended to be a tank in 11 but it evolved into one. RDM wasn't meant to be a tank but it could do it to.

It's a video game dude.
Not a lesson in what real ninjas did in real life.

[Evangela]

A Thm tanked and solo'd Dodore. Who are you to say a Ninja shouldn't tank? It was never intended to be a tank in 11 but it evolved into one. RDM wasn't meant to be a tank but it could do it to.

It's a video game dude.
Not a lesson in what real ninjas did in real life.

OK, If you enjoy playing a game which mages can be a tanker (by cheating) and ninja are warriors, fighting face to face... that's not what SE and FF fanbase want

[viion]

OK, If you enjoy playing a game which mages can be a tanker (by cheating) and ninja are warriors, fighting face to face... that's not what SE and FF fanbase want

i love you but the guy who soloed dodore didnt cheat its quite easy to do.

[Evangela]

i love you but the guy who soloed dodore didnt cheat its quite easy to do.

OK, it's not cheating, just exploiting