Dawntrail Ninja feels great (mostly)

[StriderZessei]

With all the focus on movement in some of the newer content since 6.4, I'm surprised they're still hanging onto the 'no movement during TCJ' for ninjas.

Also wish they would let us enable the recast timer function on mudras, or just gray out a mudra after pressing, so lag spikes at least can't cause a Ten-Ten-Jin input.

[CamuiKushi]

Agreed on the second point. After I get ninja to 100 I won't be touching it for the rest of the expansion again because of latency. The job is fun and that's why I'll be leveling it, but getting bunnies because the game decided to ghost a mudra feels bad.

[Miralyth]

Yeah, the movement lock of TCJ and the responsiveness of mudra made me back off of ninja a little bit in Dawntrail, despite it being something I was excited to try really getting into again. I ended up falling back on monk (my usual), which I've really been enjoying. I feel like ninja is almost there for me, and just needs a little bit more qol.

[gumas]

you can tell which class is having good time just by looking at the thread here lol

out of all class, i think bard, dancer, ninja and rdm is the most quiet in here which mean the class is received well i guess? (or because not much is change)

i want to say summoner too but i have feeling the summoner player just accepting their fate at this point

[Equitable_Remedy]

With all the focus on movement in some of the newer content since 6.4, I'm surprised they're still hanging onto the 'no movement during TCJ' for ninjas.

I'm not. It's something that's a bit unique to NIN, and I think that that's fine. It's also funny that one of the most common job complaints on social media is about homogenization and one of the most common NIN complaints on social media is about one of its heterogenous features. That's just the internet, I guess.

Also wish they would let us enable the recast timer function on mudras, or just gray out a mudra after pressing, so lag spikes at least can't cause a Ten-Ten-Jin input.

In general, I think that the best solution is to gray out a mudra after pressing it - it solves 95% of mudra issues without much cost in terms of gameplay. That being said, I also think that a lot of "ping" issues are actually people pressing the buttons too fast - queuing functions a bit differently because of the shorter GCD on mudra, and it can be a bit wonky if you're not used to it.

[StriderZessei]

I'm not. It's something that's a bit unique to NIN, and I think that that's fine. It's also funny that one of the most common job complaints on social media is about homogenization and one of the most common NIN complaints on social media is about one of its heterogenous features. That's just the internet, I guess.


In general, I think that the best solution is to gray out a mudra after pressing it - it solves 95% of mudra issues without much cost in terms of gameplay. That being said, I also think that a lot of "ping" issues are actually people pressing the buttons too fast - queuing functions a bit differently because of the shorter GCD on mudra, and it can be a bit wonky if you're not used to it.

After logging over 100 hours of Ninja, I'm glad that it still has the elements that keep it unique and fresh; Losing a major chunk of your burst damage because you accidentally tapped a movement key is not part of that identity.

[MagusMirel]

NIN hasn't changed much since Endwalker. I was not a big fan of those Raiju's in Endwalker, since my muscle memory from 2.4 gave me a hard time not pressing a combo after Raiton. That's why i stopped playing NIN in Endwalker and tried something else. But now in Dawntrail i gave it a new shot and my problems are gone. But still i would prefer to build up Stacks which aren't canceled after a GCD.

In the newer EX Trials TCJ is still a pain. Trial 1 has the worst timings for NIN, since we have to move in our Burst windows, which delays TCJ out of our Buffs. but maybe there is a workaround for that.

On some Statistics NIN falls behind all other Melees in DPS in those Trrials. I don't think it because of the arkward burst timings alone. Viper on the other hand seems a bit too overtuned and i think Viper is way easier to play than NIN. I've never played something easier to be honest. So NIN could need some decent buffs before Savage as well.

[Ramiee]

you can tell which class is having good time just by looking at the thread here lol

out of all class, i think bard, dancer, ninja and rdm is the most quiet in here which mean the class is received well i guess? (or because not much is change)

Bit late but Dancer changes aren't that great. Especially 96 ability it just removes the inputs from standard step during bursts which make it a bit boring. Haven't levelled Bard yet but it's probably not great either, song rotation is still a thing and that's just never been fun.

[LynxDubh]

you can tell which class is having good time just by looking at the thread here lol

out of all class, i think bard, dancer, ninja and rdm is the most quiet in here which mean the class is received well i guess? (or because not much is change)

i want to say summoner too but i have feeling the summoner player just accepting their fate at this point

The Major thing with DNC is the Tilana changes. The 50 extra Esprit really bloats the tech windows and frequently makes us overcap.

[Gilihere]

In the newer EX Trials TCJ is still a pain. Trial 1 has the worst timings for NIN, since we have to move in our Burst windows, which delays TCJ out of our Buffs. but maybe there is a workaround for that.

I usually use burst for a specific stack mechanic that involves nails, helps to melt them

As for how ninja feels?
Fantastic

The one thing I find weird is having kazematoi not being a passive increase of all dps made, but I guess well just have to deal 1 armor crush to 3 aeolian edges, I can live with that