Expert dungeon "difficulty"

[Saraide]

I've seen people criticize the difficulty of the current expert dungeons already and while the natural response is obviously to simply say "skill issue" I think it's important to look at what makes them difficult. In my opinion the difficulty comes mainly from there being little mechanical downtime, stuff is just happening and when the previous mechanic ends, the next one is already starting.
This is something the endwalker alliance raids have critically failed at. Rapidfire mechanics can make even easy encounters with simply mechanics feel engaging and I am glad SE has realized that (atleast for the current dungeons). We need more normal mode content design like this. I dont think the ability to simply power through the vuln stacks is a big issue either since it's more fun to engage with the mechanics honestly imo (and it keeps the encounters easy).

[ACE135]

The expert dungeons can't really be different than "normal" dungeons because in a few patches the now current expert dungeons aren't "expert" anymore but "normal" dungeons.

[sindriiisgaming]

The expert dungeons can't really be different than "normal" dungeons because in a few patches the now current expert dungeons aren't "expert" anymore but "normal" dungeons.

That depends. They may break that tradition and keep the expert dungeons seperate from the others. Wise imo

[Toutatis]

That depends. They may break that tradition and keep the expert dungeons seperate from the others. Wise imo

They won’t. One of them is MSQ. It’s the same old model.

I'm seeing a bit of a miniboss-ification of trash pulls recently and I think we are in the phase where it uses the worst of both worlds: complete nothing burgers in terms of mechanics (endless turtle stomps, unending doll slams) but also HP high enough to make them do their thing. We need to get out of this phase asap.

It’s pretty much the same as before. It’s just the gear.

[Basteala]

The expert dungeons can't really be different than "normal" dungeons because in a few patches the now current expert dungeons aren't "expert" anymore but "normal" dungeons.

Honestly I think the easy solution would be for optional dungeons to be "Expert", and for Current Level to just go into "High Level" for daily roulettes, or Level 100 Roulettes, separate from optional, harder ones. Simple.

[Elkanah]

There's only 1 mechanic that becomes annoying, and it just shifts your camera angles. Thats pretty much it. Otherwise, I think this level of difficulty needs to be ramped up. They should be much more difficult overall. I welcome this nice change of pace to regular dungeons

[flowerkatie]

They're not difficult they're just new. Once everyone is a little more geared and it becomes normal for a few members of the party to have cleared already, going through them will be a breeze.

That's not to say I didn't die on them the first time around, I did — but I'm pretty sure when the average player is past them they'll be straight forward as usual.

[Taliriah]

Yeah can people please stop gracing us with their great wisdom about things being too hard after barely a week?

Because SE is apparently inclined to jump the gun based on such feedback.

[BeserkFury]

Part of the dungeon difficulty comes from ilvl scaling and only exists until the savage raid tier, as soon as your full savage gear any new dungeon they release will basically be a joke as you over gear it 20+ item levels in power.

Also the biggest issue with their new dungeon design is these single monsters at the end with inflated HP and they show up in over half of the new dungeons of DT.
No there is nothing interesting about attacking a turtle or rock monster with a billion HP before the final boss