New blacklist features sure are..... something

[squidsplosion]

This is a joke, right? I got into a trial with someone I blacklisted, no warning, just from hard queueing into it to finish the story.

I can still get into a duty with them, and now I can't even see what they say. Again, no warning whatsoever. And based on an anecdote from a friend that experienced something similar, you get penalized for leaving.

I was lucky this was just a person I blacklisted and forgot to remove bc they were a little annoying during a savage. They were also a healer, so imagine what would've happened to my experience during the trial if they recognized me and decided to act maliciously.

There are people that still play this game that have done genuinely horrible things to me, far beyond being a minor annoyance in a raid, and I am still forced to share a space with them or pay to leave for another DC. And now I can't even see what they say or avoid them in queues. I have never posted onto the forum before because my problems were never That deep, but this is genuinely troubling to me. I understand this is likely done for pvp balance, but surely the blacklist can be made to act differently in that scenario.

BTW, I'm 80% sure they can read what you type, based on how often they replied to my comments on the trial (picked the least spoiler-y screenshot... sorry.) The FAQ article doesn't mention it either: https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...5382&kid=56857


edit: Forgot to add, yes, I understand the blacklist system is bad. I know how it works. Some of the new aspects of it are not acceptable to me, and I want to make it known and have a discussion on it.

[Saraide]

Why would you want to see what they say?

[SeriousPan]

Why would you want to see what they say?

I think the issue OP has is that in an ideal setting the message wouldn't appear at all. Knowing that someone you blacklisted is talking to you or around you can be distressing to people who are dealing with harrassers or stalkers. You can't read what they're saying but it's obvious that they're there sort of thing.

I know people would prefer if no message appeared at all even if it meant some people looked psychotic as they seemingly talk to themselves. Discord has the same problem where you block people but it still shows their posts but goes "15 messages from blocked user" in a shared space since it wasn't designed to omit chat messages completely.

[squidsplosion]

Why would you want to see what they say?

One of my big problems is I can't see what they say, but I'm pretty sure they can see what I say. If we both couldn't see what the other said, that'd be fine. I'd rather appear as deliberately not talking instead of ignoring them, since one will be more likely to draw hostility than the other.

[Turnintino]

I'm not saying it's perfect, by any means, but this is as advertised. I do hope they make further improvements going forward, but... idk, considering how long it took them to implement even this much (and I'm very glad that they did, don't mistake me), I'm probably not gonna hold my breath.

[lolnotacat]

Agree with you 100% OP. The blacklist system is improved over what we had TBH, but it's still not up to par compared to most other games IMO.

Blacklist should completely omit messages from them to you, and from you to them.
It should hide their character from you, and yours from them. (Which I believe the new system does).
Finally, it should make sure that the PF doesn't toss you into the same 4 or 8 person group.

[Sotaris]

There is no setting like term filter where you can select to not see the messages at all?

[Freyt]

The system is there to prevent you from hurt feelings, it's not there to prevent others from doing content. Yes they can still get into duties with you, you can't stop them from playing the game. If they harass you somehow beyond what the system protects against, report them.

[Isala]

Meanwhile, every other MMO with a functional blacklist system "This will affect your queues, but we'd rather not place you two together ever again."

Like sure, props for SE for finally understanding the basic concept of blacklisting, after an entire decade, but they're still not even caught up with the current millennium for how a blacklist system should work.