Why are we changing Viper????

[ToastieJay]

So I've been all over the internet lately and saw that they are simplifying Viper due to complaints on its busyness? REALLY? Bruh can you not press the shiny buttons and read your tool tips its literally as easy as reaper and if you want me to say its even easier then Dancer bro only job that is more simple then those 2 are Summoner can we just enjoy the game and not complain about things that aren't even an issue Viper is easier then Pictomancer(good job very fun).
Viper id say being busy and fast makes it pretty darn fun I honestly don't see the issue

[wereotter]

Viper was scratching that itch for me left behind now that monk has been gutted and no longer resembles the job I picked up years ago

It'll be a massive disappointment if viper gets hit with the idiot stick

Besides that, it's been literally only days since the official launch and only just over a week since early access. I believe most players haven't had enough time to really get into the job and learn it. Maybe too soon for Square to take "player feedback" on changing a brand new job

[vitamin_chill]

Why are we changing a job to be easier when it's already ridiculously easy.

I feel like this change will remove any challenge to the job and get rid of any identity it has.

There's plenty of posts showing people not looking forward to these changes.

Like this

[NegativeS]

Viper is as easy to learn as playing literally the first class quest they give you and reading some of the tooltips. I got the hang of the full rotation within 30 seconds at a training dummy before playing the baked-in tutorial.

Sorry for being crass or rude, but if we're catering to the types of people so idiotic that they complain about 'busyness' when they haven't even bothered to get the hang of the class first, then MMOs are doomed.

[Atamis]

I don't know but maybe having 8 buttons spread out on a 2 button combo wasn't a good idea. And thats before you add 4 more for aoe rotation.

[AmorfaVex]

Im surprised they would change it so soon.

My only gripes with Viper are that it is squishy, lacks utility, and maybe that the debuff timer is too short.

I didnt think it was TOO busy. But given DT boss AoE spam, the lack of a personal damage mitigation or egress option made it challenging to play at times.

That said, I got it to 100 and then pretty much moved on to level another job, so havent tried perfecting the rotations yet.

[fioravictorine]

They said it was due to player feedback they received

How do I submit my feedback on the MSQ then since they act so fast lol

[4clubbedace]

mandatory double weave during a fast gcd is killer on people with bad internet, so i hear

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Haven't gotten to really try it yet myself.
Did pick it up and worked out a hotbar setup.


Largest problem I had was that I have all the combo finishers on other jobs with flank requirements on my left trigger, and rear on the right trigger.
And viper's combo finishers change based on which second part of the combo you hit, so I had to reconsider how I would set it up.

[kaynide]

Well, to be fair, Viper suffers from a similar problem as Dancer, in that you have to keep an eye on a specific thing to make sure you are hitting the correct button (left or right for viper; one of the Simon says colors for dancer’s specials).

It’s good design, but it should have audio cues or maybe a flashy color specific thing around your character to indicate what comes next without needing to look at some specific up element.

If it were me I would have made the left sword always blue, right always red, then given a small glow to the pc of matching color. Have both colors when either is fine, and sound cue like it is for the finisher.

Bonus points if they could make the color glow be on the actual sword model you are holding.