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  1. #51
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    ovIm's Avatar
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    Vim Mercer
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    Alpha
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    Ok, this feels more reassuring to me at least, they can also take that 2 min window crap and stick it, I find that schtick so boring!

    Loving VPR so far, can't wait to have my cuppa log on and carry on levelling it today
    While I fully agree, the 2 minute window thing is annoying and limits how classes can play, you know that Viper too works in that meta, right?
    With Serpents Ire being 120s and you generating about 50 serpents offering every minute, you usually do one reawaken at 60s, and a double reawaken at 120s
    (5)
    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  2. #52
    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Nanapie Kimura
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 28
    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    While I fully agree, the 2 minute window thing is annoying and limits how classes can play, you know that Viper too works in that meta, right?
    With Serpents Ire being 120s and you generating about 50 serpents offering every minute, you usually do one reawaken at 60s, and a double reawaken at 120s
    I dont know, im only lvl 85 on VPR and enjoying it so far, I feel the 2 minute meta is absolutely garbage boring and restricted gameplay, SE really need to ditch this meta come 8.0 with the job revision as I don't think there's many people who actually enjoy it.
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  3. #53
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    ElenaLeffel's Avatar
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    Character
    Elena Leffel
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    I agree, Please don't simplify the class, and "simplify" positionals. I've been waiting for proper dual-weilding for almost a decade. (I was excited for Ninja Release but it never felt right) Dual-Wielding comes at a price, and I've never felt more connected to any DPS class than Viper.

    If the positionals are already a concern, increase the up-time of true north, allow us to have more stacks (three seems to be the most reasonable) and allow us to get two proper rotations off of one true north stack, If needed please remove True north and add a class specific variant of it for Viper.

    In the past I struggled (and mostly ignored) Positional requirements for abilities (and neglected) True North (2014-2016), this has been the first time I have actually cared to understood them with any class and been able to rationalize the rotation so naturally. I'm already close to having it so down, that the mechanics don't become obscured.

    I know it's a new class, but making it for everyone (that wants to try it) might take away from it's strengths. Again, I've never had as much fun, and never felt as connected to a DPS class. All I ask is that you not let the feedback from everyone "trying" the class, ruin it for people who may well end up staying with the class. The fast paced / Combo Nature paired with positionals feel very excellent and I couldn't make any recommendations to change the class other than maybe reducing total potency of abilities. Viper is a strong class that should take the time to learn, and learn how and when to best apply their strengths, and mitigate their weaknesses.

    So far I think DT is amazing. ♥
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    https://steamcommunity.com/id/ElenaLeffelZXC4/

  4. #54
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    Saraide's Avatar
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    The viper change is evidence for one thing: SE is not confident in their job design. They are deathly afraid of letting players fail while they get better. Reacting on feedback on how difficult an entirely new job is that has barely been out for an entire week is plain stupid and the data indicating that such a change is necessary literally cant exist yet. It's just a kneejerk reaction. I wish SE had their own vision that they actually stick to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  5. #55
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    Ramiee's Avatar
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 50
    Honestly this reminds me of the reaper mains that said that the weakness dot debuff thing should be removed from Reaper.
    Im instantly thinking wtf that's literally the only thing you have to maintain on reaper??
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  6. #56
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Even the data that we do have suggest that viper is not too difficult in any way. The aggregated logs from the first extreme trial have viper with the second highest median, the second highest minimum and far and away the most clears logged. People are playing viper and they are not failing to put out damage compared to other jobs.
    (4)
    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  7. #57
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    Grainne Gothram
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    Cerberus
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    Black Mage Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Even the data that we do have suggest that viper is not too difficult in any way. The aggregated logs from the first extreme trial have viper with the second highest median, the second highest minimum and far and away the most clears logged. People are playing viper and they are not failing to put out damage compared to other jobs.
    It's so crazy that they'll "fix" a perfectly fine job within 2 weeks of launch. Yet they haven't touched support roles in 5 years and machinist's flamethrower for the same amount of time. Wtf is the priorities of the job design team right now.
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  8. #58
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    Character
    Andy Bougard
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 59

    Job identity: A real or meanless marketing add?

    For the sake of the job identity please please please don't change Viper. Make me believe on job identity for real. Or job identity is just an meanless and shallow marketing campaign?
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  9. #59
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    Chadhadai Oronir
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 83
    What kind of feedback could they have received after one week that led to this decision? Where was it posted? When?
    Are they high?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    I don't get it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your life than creating shitpost after shitpost?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Tonberry View Post
    Genshin Impact a free to play mobile gatcha game puts out events every 40 days that are fully voiced and an engaging story. FF which is a subscription game with a full price tag does like 5 events a year and still can't put 10% of the effort. Something is wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshida-san
    Let's consider another theoretical mod: one that displays your character entirely naked.

  10. #60
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Avoidy View Post
    What kind of feedback could they have received after one week that led to this decision? Where was it posted? When?
    Are they high?
    There was one sarcastic post with 2 likes. That's apparently the threshold.
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