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    AngaratoSvartberg's Avatar
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    Angarato Svartberg
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    Viper Lv 100

    Please don't change Viper

    I absolutely love this job and you're already going to simplify it? maybe just add another ingame tutorial? its really easy and super busy its so fun it feels like a dance. the positionals and speed is what keeps it from being braindead.

    please dont gut it. i dont want a slower class. we have a million of those already.
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    Kes13a's Avatar
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AngaratoSvartberg View Post
    I absolutely love this job and you're already going to simplify it? maybe just add another ingame tutorial? its really easy and super busy its so fun it feels like a dance. the positionals and business is what keeps it from being braindead.

    please dont gut it. i dont want a slower class. we have a million of those already.
    healer jobs would like to say hello... and best of luck.
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I largely blame the way the actions window is laid out. There's no flowchart for any of the combos, and instead it just has the initial actions and then a list of 27 that can't be assigned to a hotbar. This means you effectively need to navigate backwards by reading the ending skill to see what it follows, then going to that skill, and repeating until you're at the actual first step.
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    AngaratoSvartberg's Avatar
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    Angarato Svartberg
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    I largely blame the way the actions window is laid out. There's no flowchart for any of the combos, and instead it just has the initial actions and then a list of 27 that can't be assigned to a hotbar. This means you effectively need to navigate backwards by reading the ending skill to see what it follows, then going to that skill, and repeating until you're at the actual first step.
    what do you mean? they literally help you? and you get a buff that looks exactly like your next closer. they hold your hand every step of the way. the naming of the skills themselves and the color coordination too.
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    much of teh chunkiness is likely due to starting at 80.

    usually when you start a job, your bar fills up slowly and you learn the abilities as you get them so you can work into a flow with them. see what works best with what and set them up. starting at 80, your bars are almost full of things already.

    SE doesnt seem to get this so, "NEEDS DUMBING DOWN!"

    to be honest, they dont seem to be getting a lot lately.
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    much of teh chunkiness is likely due to starting at 80.

    usually when you start a job, your bar fills up slowly and you learn the abilities as you get them so you can work into a flow with them. see what works best with what and set them up. starting at 80, your bars are almost full of things already.

    SE doesnt seem to get this so, "NEEDS DUMBING DOWN!"

    to be honest, they dont seem to be getting a lot lately.
    VPR only gains 3 assignable actions between 81 and 100(with the last one being at 90), and only starts with 15.
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    yes, but when you start... you already have a bunch.

    the ones between 81 and 90 would be fine because you are playing them as you get them so you would know what they do. the ones puked on to your hotbar when you get the job, have no real order
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    Aco Nale
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Agreed. Giving it some QoL is good but the job's already simple as it is, just fast paced. Would be nice to keep it that way...
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    The job isnt even in the game for an entire week yet lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Sesile Kokoro
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    Hyperion
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    Lancer Lv 100
    All I want with viper is to be able to separately assign all the skills from level 1 to 60 to the hot bar to be able to learn what each skill does and how it flows into the next. The new ability to choose whether or not to upgrade a skill on your hot bar or not is made for just this sort of thing. It takes nothing away from the class to allow for this.
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