ASTRO IS FINE

[Serendipintea]

Earthly Star, Combust, Give DPS card to DPS, Hit your damage up, Slap your other two cards on the dps so they can say 'screw this mech I have dps uptime', REDRAW, dps card to the OTHER dps, lightspeed, damage.

That is the damage burst phase. Throw a macro out there if you're feeling spicy enough or even a Horoscope if the pull is a big add one.

[ThorneDynasty]

Sometimes I wish this forum had a downvote option.

[Serendipintea]

Would you like to educate me with a better rotation?

[IDontPetLalas]

Would you like to educate me with a better rotation?

Yes, it's called Shadowbringers

[Canadane]

Yes, it's called Shadowbringers

This, but Stormblood.

[Meku_Na]

I disagree! It's boring to be serving the same breakfast and dinner over and over again. There's no card manipulation at all anymore. Previously, the DPS cards provided us with knowledge expression. Timing the cards so that they perfectly encapsulate the DPS's burst, using Divination's cooldown timer to time DPS's 1 minute burst phases. The randomness that reduced the repetitiveness of each encounter. None of that anymore! From 4 DPS cards every 2min, to 2 every 2min; served statically.

[Sylvain]

I disagree! It's boring to be serving the same breakfast and dinner over and over again. There's no card manipulation at all anymore. Previously, the DPS cards provided us with knowledge expression. Timing the cards so that they perfectly encapsulate the DPS's burst, using Divination's cooldown timer to time DPS's 1 minute burst phases. The randomness that reduced the repetitiveness of each encounter. None of that anymore! From 4 DPS cards every 2min, to 2 every 2min; served statically.

I agree, yet I feel this is the exact reason so few people enjoyed astro.

Basically, the card system was aimed/enjoyed by high end players because specifically it required extensive knowledge to be properly exploited. Sure, we can argue that you could just throw the right card at the right role whenever it's up and still gain dps, this is very true but any player remotely engaged in their performance would know that they just can't throw cards randomly like this.

Then you have the others, who either were intimidated by the system or simply felt it was boring because "they're all just the same".

You can't please both, it's just impossible.
We've been through 2 expansions of this, AST was barely played and card were a big factor.
Even in high end content, for every group with 1 AST you'd join 10 groups with a WHM in pf. Basically, why would I bother with AST cards management if I can do equal dps as a whm (like that kind of logic)

Assuming SE wants to even out the healer distribution, basically not having 90% WHM 10% AST, then either they make whm as convoluted as AST, or they simplify one of the "scary" aspect of AST. And that would be the cards.

I definitely 100% agree, it did provide knowledge expression. How many times throughout ultimate progression did I ask my DPS "so... [MCH], [BLM], I need to throw a card here, anyone has some big burst ? " "Oh yeah here I dump all my 3 xeno"
It was rewarding, and my DPS did enjoy getting the card "right" before they'd unload their burst. (especially my MCH god... you could hear her squeak whenever I'd draw the melee card)

But this made the job intimidating let's be honest for a minute here. So I personally understand their choice...
Ofc we can complain about how SE just dumbs down every job just to catter to the casual crowd.
Sometime I feel like they should make a new difficulty mode for those casual players, with npc only. there's no mechanic, you have a permanent LB4 tank (-95% dmg taken), NPC healer rescue you to the safe spot all the time for trial, 8man and 24man.
And a special "easy mode" for jobs only playable in those mods where you only have 5 skills which automatically target and do everything for you.

This way they could stop dumbing down everything else to catter to half the population who anyone doesn't care about their performance no matter how brain dead it can be.
Like as a melee, they'd have the pvp1 melee button which does the entire rotation for them.

[Supersnow845]

I agree, yet I feel this is the exact reason so few people enjoyed astro.

Basically, the card system was aimed/enjoyed by high end players because specifically it required extensive knowledge to be properly exploited. Sure, we can argue that you could just throw the right card at the right role whenever it's up and still gain dps, this is very true but any player remotely engaged in their performance would know that they just can't throw cards randomly like this.

Then you have the others, who either were intimidated by the system or simply felt it was boring because "they're all just the same".

You can't please both, it's just impossible.
We've been through 2 expansions of this, AST was barely played and card were a big factor.
Even in high end content, for every group with 1 AST you'd join 10 groups with a WHM in pf. Basically, why would I bother with AST cards management if I can do equal dps as a whm (like that kind of logic)

Assuming SE wants to even out the healer distribution, basically not having 90% WHM 10% AST, then either they make whm as convoluted as AST, or they simplify one of the "scary" aspect of AST. And that would be the cards.

I definitely 100% agree, it did provide knowledge expression. How many times throughout ultimate progression did I ask my DPS "so... [MCH], [BLM], I need to throw a card here, anyone has some big burst ? " "Oh yeah here I dump all my 3 xeno"
It was rewarding, and my DPS did enjoy getting the card "right" before they'd unload their burst. (especially my MCH god... you could hear her squeak whenever I'd draw the melee card)

But this made the job intimidating let's be honest for a minute here. So I personally understand their choice...
Ofc we can complain about how SE just dumbs down every job just to catter to the casual crowd.
Sometime I feel like they should make a new difficulty mode for those casual players, with npc only. there's no mechanic, you have a permanent LB4 tank (-95% dmg taken), NPC healer rescue you to the safe spot all the time for trial, 8man and 24man.
And a special "easy mode" for jobs only playable in those mods where you only have 5 skills which automatically target and do everything for you.

This way they could stop dumbing down everything else to catter to half the population who anyone doesn't care about their performance no matter how brain dead it can be.
Like as a melee, they'd have the pvp1 melee button which does the entire rotation for them.

They are never going to make AST remotely comparable to WHM no matter what they do to AST because WHM is the UWU healer and the shield healers are just better

AST is in the garbage position of being in the useless half of the healers and its competitor is THE FF healer

You may as well leave AST for people who actually like it because it’ll never compete with WHM on play numbers

[Freyt]

I prefer this card system over Shadowbringers and Endwalker. The defensive and restorative cards I anticipated would be lackluster, but I'm appreciating them far more than I anticipated.

What I feel needs addressing, however, is the sheer amount of OGCD activity required at the start of an encounter. Lightspeed feels like a half baked approach to this.

Also bring down Astral/Umbral Draw's CD by only 5 seconds. This will help it line up with Divination far more so it doesn't demand extremely fast ability usage.

[flowerkatie]

Earthly Star, Combust, Give DPS card to DPS, Hit your damage up, Slap your other two cards on the dps so they can say 'screw this mech I have dps uptime', REDRAW, dps card to the OTHER dps, lightspeed, damage.

That is the damage burst phase. Throw a macro out there if you're feeling spicy enough or even a Horoscope if the pull is a big add one.

Looks like you're new to these forums like me so you might not know, unless you have something negative to say about healers - you're probably in the wrong place.