Please don't change Viper

[Zhirae]

Ultimately this is what has to happen. Players need to put their money where their mouths are and actually withdraw financial support in large enough numbers and pull a "Helldivers 2" to make them listen.

This is why - as much as I thought the Healer Strike was incredibly self-indulgent and entitled behaviour from the game's most passive of players - I do now think there's merit to a DPS strike. We cannot allow this to continue.

I have at least put my money where my mouth is and did quit the game for 4 years, ONLY coming back to see the damage done to MNK and ONLY choosing to stay because of VPR. If VPR is gone, then I've lost my incentive to continue playing. It's not like there's all that much game left, with all of four job stones (one for each of the roles) remaining and that's a sign the game is winding down to its end anyway.

Yeah, I did. wasn't a strike. I just didn't play for over half a year because the game was boring. I like all the roles and it has just been a gradual downgrade to the experience and quite frankly I'm at the limit. I've loved this game for over a decade now and I'm ready to hang it up if things don't start changing in a better direction. It's not as bad as World of Warcraft yet, but it IS the reason I quit that game a long time ago and will be the reason I quit this one. I just can't justify paying a sub to a game that puts me to sleep.

At the end of the day, they've used the same cookie cutter end game formula since as far back as I my ADHD addled gold-fish tiered brain can remember and the only real long term staying power is keeping the classes interesting enough to keep playing through the meager content updates in between big patches.

And as for the healer strike, also justified. Not every healer should be put to the stake for the changes made due to people complaining. I used to main healer and loved it, I miss it and feel the complaints are warranted. Tanks should put their foot down too with all the homogenization and stripping of any identity or individuality of their classes and play style. The issue is that SE wants to cater to the common denominator, because every complaint from every slub on Reddit who can't be bothered to learn how to play a video game is a potential sub loss to them.

[SteakDriven]

Positionals suck.

[ValStormbreaker]

Positionals suck.

Then don't play melee DPS, Mr. Tank Main. The rest of us think they're quite fine, and it's not like we're coming into the Tank Roles forum to demand positionals be put on Paladin. Leave us melee DPSes be and stop trying to neuter our fun because you'd rather everything be as milquetoast as standing in place and taking a beating instead of moving around and giving one.

[SteakDriven]

Then don't play melee DPS, Mr. Tank Main. The rest of us think they're quite fine, and it's not like we're coming into the Tank Roles forum to demand positionals be put on Paladin. Leave us melee DPSes be and stop trying to neuter our fun because you'd rather everything be as milquetoast as standing in place and taking a beating instead of moving around and giving one.

I'll play whatever I jolly well please and I ain't budging from right behind the boss unless I need to get out of some mechanics.
If positionals are the only thing making DPS fun for you, then that's your own fault.
Having to move in between weaving skills ruins my rhythm.

[noelregnard]

I'll play whatever I jolly well please and I ain't budging from right behind the boss unless I need to get out of some mechanics.

Then don't do them. They don't affect you anyway. Leave them there for the people who enjoy them.

[ValStormbreaker]

I'll play whatever I jolly well please and I ain't budging from right behind the boss unless I need to get out of some mechanics.
If positionals are the only thing making DPS fun for you, then that's your own fault.
Having to move in between weaving skills ruins my rhythm.

*sigh* Alright, it's clear you lack a bit of self-awareness, so let me spell this out for you:

You - a tank main - are coming into the DPS forums and telling the melee DPS mains the way they like their role to play is a problem, because you personally - and by your own admission - cannot handle the multitasking of your rotation and the positionals. Ergo, you can't play up to the level of the rest of us, and are telling us that requiring you to do more than your current skill capacity is the problem, so the game should be brought down to your level at the expense of literally everyone else's fun.

For the record, you are coming into a thread of 18 pages filled to the brim of people who clearly do not agree with you. And since you don't main melee DPS, it'd be like if a tourist comes into a foreign country and starts demanding they change their local customs to suit the tourist's tastes, or it's the locals who are a problem. This is the living definition of entitlement behaviour.

Social skills, my good sir. Read the room. You have 15 other options that might be more to your liking, and not everything needs to cater to you. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the fire, it's not for you. The rest of us are fine either with the temp where it is, or want it to be turned up, because your speed is too slow and boring for us. We are not coming into your house and telling you to speed things up, so don't come into our territory and demand that we slow things down for you. Simple as that.

[wereotter]

You - a tank main - are coming into the DPS forums and telling the melee DPS mains the way they like their role to play is a problem, because you personally - and by your own admission - cannot handle the multitasking of your rotation and the positionals. Ergo, you can't play up to the level of the rest of us, and are telling us that requiring you to do more than your current skill capacity is the problem, so the game should be brought down to your level at the expense of literally everyone else's fun.

Petition to add positionals to tanking jobs... just to mess with the person you're replying to.

Also agree with original post. Viper is great. Leave it alone.

[AngaratoSvartberg]

I'll play whatever I jolly well please and I ain't budging from right behind the boss unless I need to get out of some mechanics.
If positionals are the only thing making DPS fun for you, then that's your own fault.
Having to move in between weaving skills ruins my rhythm.

if you wanna be mediocre that's fine but that doesnt mean we have too.

[ValStormbreaker]

if you wanna be mediocre that's fine but that doesnt mean we have too.

I could kiss you for this comment, but you're on an different data center :P

SteakDriven's post highlights my point to JamsC. He is a tank main coming in to a melee DPS role forum and telling us that our role is a problem because he finds it difficult to multitask mechanics. It "ruins [his] rhythm,". Us being able to handle it is "[our] own fault. So we're the problem for actually being able to play more competently than he can, the implication being that our fun should be neutered to bring things down to his lower skill level.

This is not something any of the melee DPS mains are saying. It's all coming from passive players on the outside, historically coming from WHM and SCH players, but always from lower-APM job mains who think taking a step to the left, doing a few moves, then taking a step to the right and doing a few moves, is somehow too much for their comfort.

Entitlement is when you act as though you are deserving of special treatment or privileges, i.e. coming into someone else's house and demanding they do things your way. This is why the Healer Strike was entitled; it pushed blame on the devs for the design philosophy they adopted with the healers, but neglected the part where it was at the healers' request (even if not everyone shared those opinions). Melee DPS mains by and large did NOT ask for this, and are wholly opposed to it, but we do hold one another accountable, as I have already done by addressing the remarks of Mr. Happy calling for more downtime in Viper's rotation which is incredibly stupid and no one here in this thread seems to support that sentiment (if anything, it's the opposite). I have also addressed the damage Happy and Drak have caused to MNK. I'm not pretending there aren't problem people within DPS circles, but we at least acknowledge and deal with our own, instead of shirking accountability and blaming external sources. Players are the ones who asked for Cleric Stance to be removed, not the devs.

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Positionals suck.

Crazy how FFXIV's encounter design is almost entirely designed around moving around and positioning to do mechanics yet people think moving two inches back and forth along the boss target circle is too much to ask or doesn't fit the design.