Please don't change Viper

[SteakDriven]

Positionals suck.

[ValStormbreaker]

Your post made no sense and just screams "ah yes please think I am smart look at the fancy words I can string together with no context or basis". Not to mention you contributed nothing to anything. Good job. You did good. Wow.

Exactly. He doesn't understand that the Healer Strike was a situation that happened because passive healers wanted the game simplified for them, got what they asked for, and then regretted it.

Meanwhile, DPS players are upset that the same aforementioned passive players wanted the game dumbed down for them because they wanted to be effort-averse, and that has hurt the game for the past 7 years, starting with Monk. Nobody came and defended the Monk mains then. Now it has spread to every other job, Viper is the last one left, so more people finally took notice and said "enough is enough, leave us alone".

Either he doesn't understand the fundamental difference between a DPS Strike on those grounds, or he's trolling. Either way, I expect no less from a healer main in this game at this point. The most passive of players are also the most toxic and have the least-developed sense of personal accountability or self-reflection. High-effort players tend to be more humbled because they have to work for their performance.

[vetna56]

Please leave viper alone, this job has been great, simple to pick up and understand. This job reminds me of HW where the jobs had alot of skill exspression. Please do not change viper

[NovaVale]

I can agree, Viper has been a blast to play and the positional give depth to the combos. I like it when classes keep me on the move it keeps me engaged. all the moves flow so nicely and the tempo of the attacks is really satisfying I would hate to slow down the feel of Viper. It just feel very unique from the other classes and scratches a particular itch both in style and feel, I also think its fine feel busy as it just fits the aesthetic of the class. All in all In hope they reconsider changing the class.

[NovaVale]

Same, in the 2 and a half years I have played ff14 which is not a lot considering how long its been out, I have never used the forums till I saw the changes to Viper and wanted to express this exact point. Please reconsider changing Viper.

[ValStormbreaker]

Positionals suck.

Then don't play melee DPS, Mr. Tank Main. The rest of us think they're quite fine, and it's not like we're coming into the Tank Roles forum to demand positionals be put on Paladin. Leave us melee DPSes be and stop trying to neuter our fun because you'd rather everything be as milquetoast as standing in place and taking a beating instead of moving around and giving one.

[ValStormbreaker]

Please leave viper alone, this job has been great, simple to pick up and understand. This job reminds me of HW where the jobs had alot of skill exspression. Please do not change viper

Ah, THOSE were the days! 'Member when we adjusted our rotations depending on whether or not we had a WAR and/or a NIN in the party? Those were fun times. Now, everything's so... same-y and boring...

[ValStormbreaker]

I can agree, Viper has been a blast to play and the positional give depth to the combos. I like it when classes keep me on the move it keeps me engaged. all the moves flow so nicely and the tempo of the attacks is really satisfying I would hate to slow down the feel of Viper. It just feel very unique from the other classes and scratches a particular itch both in style and feel, I also think its fine feel busy as it just fits the aesthetic of the class. All in all In hope they reconsider changing the class.

Tempo is a good term! I like that, easier way of saying "rhythm and flow" as I've been doing it. I'm stealing that now :P Still way better than "busy" since that'll just tell the dev team to make fewer moves more spammy with multiple charges, which is the opposite of what we want. That's what they did to Riddle of Earth back in 5.4, and it hasn't ended well since.

[ValStormbreaker]

Same, in the 2 and a half years I have played ff14 which is not a lot considering how long its been out, I have never used the forums till I saw the changes to Viper and wanted to express this exact point. Please reconsider changing Viper.

It's great to see so many passionate new players creating forum accounts for just this very reason.

If you've only been around for two and a half years, it's a shame that you weren't around during Stormblood, which I think was an ideal period for most of the classes in the game before Shadowbringers. A lot of players who like this game don't have context for how different rotations and skills were back then, before the homogenization started. I use MNK as a constant example since it was the one affected hardest starting in SHB and the one that has suffered the most, but it goes for most jobs I think.

Sadly, there's no way for you to experience what the game was like, but Viper does provide a peek into that in a more concise package. Hopefully saying that is enough to trust the notion of how much fun you would've had playing the game back in 2017/2018, and how radically different (and simplified) everything became since then.

I think if more people back Viper, then the next move would be to back the restoration of the other jobs to what they used to be like. That goes for jobs like Summoner (which used to be very different), Dark Knight and other jobs across the other roles (healers as well). Think of all the heaps of fun everyone would be having! There was way more self-expression back then in rotations, too.

[SteakDriven]

Then don't play melee DPS, Mr. Tank Main. The rest of us think they're quite fine, and it's not like we're coming into the Tank Roles forum to demand positionals be put on Paladin. Leave us melee DPSes be and stop trying to neuter our fun because you'd rather everything be as milquetoast as standing in place and taking a beating instead of moving around and giving one.

I'll play whatever I jolly well please and I ain't budging from right behind the boss unless I need to get out of some mechanics.
If positionals are the only thing making DPS fun for you, then that's your own fault.
Having to move in between weaving skills ruins my rhythm.