JP Official Forums are also criticizing the Dawntrail MSQ.

[ThorneDynasty]

I mean it isn't that hard to salvage the story of Dawntrail. Just put wuk lamat on a chair in tuliolal, and let her sit there for the rest of eternity and never speak again. Then for whatever plot comes next let my character actually do something alone sometimes, no erenville, no scions, just me doing something alone. Then stop giving me a dialog with 3 choices that are all saying the same thing in slightly different ways, and make the npcs do more than stare at me, blink, then continue their conversation as if I didn't speak at all when I pick my option.

Honestly it's bordering on them needing to do the first proper MSQ overhaul patch since ARR content.

I know it's impossible to rewrite the whole thing, but it would go a long way if they just slightly altered the scenes so WoL and the Scions aren't just hapless wallflowers. Like have it be a conscious choice to let Wuk Lamat prove herself - Have WoL cross their arms and stare at her expectantly instead of pulling out their weapon and then being told to sit down like a dog. Don't have the Scions sit around doing nothing when a suspicious stranger obviously just lured away a high value political target. Don't zoom in on a "defeated" villain clearly about to resurrect on go super-sayan while our characters are few feet away standing like idiots not seeing it coming - make the second wind look more surprising and maybe have something preoccupying our heroes, like simple distance at least.

So much of what feels so bad about the story could be hugely mitigated by better story boarding. It wouldn't fix everything, but it would help.

Heck, they even do a similar "villain is right there but WoL can't act because civilians/hostages" scene in the role quests - And it feels perfectly fine because it's actually WoL who uses body language to stop the more hot-headed younger warrior from escalating. Almost like the mentor we are supposed to be in the MSQ.

[Shurrikhan]

Have to stalk people's post history to make fun of them. What are you, 5?

Hardly "stalking". She just happens to have trolled (or, if you prefer a stricter definition of "trolling" -- the likes of having repeatedly berated posters alongside a hefty dose of ad hominens, strawmen, purposeful removal from context, etc.) the OP's threads and said OP happened to have a memory lasting more than a couple hours. Frankly, of the two, the OP isn't the odd one. /shrug

[PaleYonder]

Yeah, and ths degree of substantial negative feedback is a warning to the developers that at least parts of the customer base may not purchase the product anymore. A developer that wants to continue to sell should listen to that. This isn't one-sided entitlement; we want a good product for the money we spend or we won't spend the money anymore, and the developer wants our money. Who does it help if we just leave quietly instead of things being rescued and improved? Neither side.

There's also the fact that FF14 has spread a whole lot via word of mouth, people recommending it to others who may have been hesitant (Isn't that too anime? Isn't there too much content to get through till endgame? And so on), and those who gave it a chance being won over by the story. How often do you hear that? You had to coax people past ARR sometimes, and sometimes past Stormblood. Now you have this.
If someone is in it for the story, and dislike it so much this time around, can they seriously recommend the game anymore? In the past, I could say, "if you're not into the anime style or whatever, that's cool, but the story is really good", whereas now the most I could recommend to someone new is, expect to play till Endwalker, and then if you've got other stuff you enjoy, cool, but the story gets painful after that, and we don't know if this is just the way it's going to be now. So it may well be a finite experience.
That's the worst word-of-mouth for a game that used to rely on its story so much.

I also hardly think that this direction is some highly artistic choice that's essential to a writer's spirit as an auteur. It's all simply way too incompetent and unartistic for that. So they have no reason to keep going with this despite bleeding their customer base.

[Malthir]

Yeah, and ths degree of substantial negative feedback is a warning to the developers that at least parts of the customer base may not purchase the product anymore. A developer that wants to continue to sell should listen to that. This isn't one-sided entitlement; we want a good product for the money we spend or we won't spend the money anymore, and the developer wants our money. Who does it help if we just leave quietly instead of things being rescued and improved? Neither side.

There's also the fact that FF14 has spread a whole lot via word of mouth, people recommending it to others who may have been hesitant (Isn't that too anime? Isn't there too much content to get through till endgame? And so on), and those who gave it a chance being won over by the story. How often do you hear that? You had to coax people past ARR sometimes, and sometimes past Stormblood. Now you have this.
If someone is in it for the story, and dislike it so much this time around, can they seriously recommend the game anymore? In the past, I could say, "if you're not into the anime style or whatever, that's cool, but the story is really good", whereas now the most I could recommend to someone new is, expect to play till Endwalker, and then if you've got other stuff you enjoy, cool, but the story gets painful after that, and we don't know if this is just the way it's going to be now. So it may well be a finite experience.
That's the worst word-of-mouth for a game that used to rely on its story so much.

I also hardly think that this direction is some highly artistic choice that's essential to a writer's spirit as an auteur. It's all simply way too incompetent and unartistic for that. So they have no reason to keep going with this despite bleeding their customer base.

It's actually worse than that, this level of dislike over the whole of the MSQ of an expac is a massive barrier to entry as the MSQ is mandatory. Try getting in new players when they know they will have to slog through something that's being called terrible by the people that loved the game.

[PaleYonder]

It's actually worse than that, this level of dislike over the whole of the MSQ of an expac is a massive barrier to entry as the MSQ is mandatory. Try getting in new players when they know they will have to slog through something that's being called terrible by the people that loved the game.

That's a really good point, there's no skip right to endgame like in some games. So even the ones that don't care about the story and just want to raid etc have to do Dawntrail of all things.

[chizLemons]

It's actually worse than that, this level of dislike over the whole of the MSQ of an expac is a massive barrier to entry as the MSQ is mandatory. Try getting in new players when they know they will have to slog through something that's being called terrible by the people that loved the game.

Considering how Dawntrail is going, and that the biggest selling point of the game is still Shadowbringers + Endwalker, they can NEVER add ShB to the free trial. It's the only motivation to make new players pay for the game. And honestly, if things don't improve from how they are, even though I'd still recommend the game so they can go through ShB, I wouldn't waste my time convincing someone to stay for DT.

[RabendaShin]

It's actually worse than that, this level of dislike over the whole of the MSQ of an expac is a massive barrier to entry as the MSQ is mandatory. Try getting in new players when they know they will have to slog through something that's being called terrible by the people that loved the game.

And honestly, if things don't improve from how they are, even though I'd still recommend the game so they can go through ShB, I wouldn't waste my time convincing someone to stay for DT.

Here you have a game that has been recommended for the story, and the first thing you hear from fans is 'Yes, ARR is slow, but it's worth it! It gets better!'. They suffer through the slog, but it does get better despite ups and downs. It's worth it. Now imagine these players finally finishing Endwalker. They get to the post-MSQ quests, and make their way into the Dawntrail story. The sudden onset whiplash they would receive from the inexplicable drop in quality would be painful. They survived all the lows and enjoyed the highs, spent so many hours, and now they're back to being bored in what was advertised to be an exciting palate cleanser. I don't know how they would be able to trim Dawntrail's content down for future installments, but I won't be recommending this game without skipping Dawntrail until they do.

[Papayatar]

Honestly it's bordering on them needing to do the first proper MSQ overhaul patch since ARR content.

I know it's impossible to rewrite the whole thing, but it would go a long way if they just slightly altered the scenes so WoL and the Scions aren't just hapless wallflowers.

The easiest thing without really changing anything is change a good chunk of the quest where we talk to NPCs indirectly through Wuk Lamat. Like so many we could have just talked to the NPC ourselves but for whatever reason we had to talk to Wuk Lamat to cont. the quest so she could speak on our behalf or we talk to NPC but the cutscene shows Wuk Lamat talking to them while we twiddle our thumbs.

Toss in changing some NPC dialogue, for example the Wandering Minstrel actually acknowledging us as the powerhouse in the trial and not Wuk Lamat.

It wouldn’t fix all issues with the story but it would mitigate it feeling completely like we’re the Warrior of (Wuk) Lamat or like were tree #3 in Wuk Lamat’s school play.

[Voidmage]

The easiest thing without really changing anything is change a good chunk of the quest where we talk to NPCs indirectly through Wuk Lamat. Like so many we could have just talked to the NPC ourselves but for whatever reason we had to talk to Wuk Lamat to cont. the quest so she could speak on our behalf or we talk to NPC but the cutscene shows Wuk Lamat talking to them while we twiddle our thumbs.

Toss in changing some NPC dialogue, for example the Wandering Minstrel actually acknowledging us as the powerhouse in the trial and not Wuk Lamat.

It wouldn’t fix all issues with the story but it would mitigate it feeling completely like we’re the Warrior of (Wuk) Lamat or like were tree #3 in Wuk Lamat’s school play.

Yeah that’s basically my take as well.
The scenes were we click on Wuk Lamat and she talks to Ereville or another character just starts talking.
Y’shtola calling her instead of us via linkpearl.
Her taking us out of our hotel room to do nothing basically.
These are just a few of those instances.
The one with the minstrel really pissed me of. It was such a punch in the face especially AFTER the story when I thought I finally reached the finish line.
Even the Wild West scene was all about her (just make it so we find the bracelet and then learn it was hers, not like we needed a reason anyway or make it her dead husbands or something like that)

They tried way too hard to force her in and I fear for the raids and patches.

Yeah that's my point. There's some legitimately good stuff there! And it makes me wonder what in the hell happened q.q

To be honest, those are just really short stories not an entire expansion and even there you can see that another character takes center stage. Personally I found none of them really great in storytelling. Good? Sure but not great. Pandemonium was kinda a flat and predictable.
What I don’t get is that in those stories the WoL is actually acknowledged and had a personality.

[Hoi_C]

I liked Stormblood, and i'm not liking Dawntrail lol.