So the Skirmish weapon can be melded.

[Izodius]

Do these comparisons only put the weapons against each other, or does it include all other gear as well? How much higher are Garuda's stat caps than Giantsgall, is that included as well?

If it's just a weapon vs weapon comparison, I can see Giantsgall being better. However, when taking all gear into account, its hard to beat 25 Acc on the weapon. It changes what food you use, and possibly what accessories you wear.

I mean everyone already knew Ifrits will do more damage than Mogaxe, but I (and I assume many others) preferred Mogaxe for the Acc, which also let them gear/food differently.

Yes and no. This is essentially a WEAPON comparison sheet only. On the updated sheet you can see how your current base stats effect the weapon's potential (far right column).

The problem with giving Accuracy too high a value is that wDPS is so immensely important that you could easily overvalue a really cruddy weapon (like Mog for instance - it's a pretty weak weapon really).

Accuracy's value is calculated as a function of Attack Power (since AP doesn't cap and it's probably the best comparision stat) and an opportunity cost as to putting it in another slot (say ring). My logic on this is better explained on BG and http://raspberryheaven.enjin.com/ . The user can alter the value THEY place on Accuracy. You can also download the sheet and make changes to how the calculations work to give a better weight to accuracy if you wish.



Again I want to make clear this sheet wasn't really ready for prime time - there's a lot more that could go into it - but it's a very good starting point that we didn't have before and as it stands I'm pretty much the only person working on the sheet.

[Izodius]

Edit 2: I just noticed the current version of the spreadsheet uses a log curve instead of a linear function for charting stat caps. If correct, and it's dubious, this puts the cap for Garuda 18 points of STR over Giantsgall--a whole HQ STR ring's worth.

It was never a linear calc - the previous log was just a crappy log. Garuda being 18 over Giantsgall is not unbeliavable with the data we know. I address info on stat caps on the sheet itself and above.

Accuracy is a completely relative stat - it's value is highly dependent on the user of the sheet; which is why you can change it.

I have no intentions of calculating entire gear set vs weapon currently. I could do it but it's simply not worth the time - I made this sheet mostly for personal use and to seek out collaborators - if you don't want to use the sheet or you don't know how; then don't.

I've made it as masses friendly as I'm likely to at this point.

[Churchill]

Pretty much this. Molly is to the FFXIV WAR as Unctgtg is to the FFXI DRK.

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[Kagato]

lol'd

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Someone's jelly.

[Churchill]

Seems like a standard answer when someone doesn't know what to say.

You used a player that isn't a leader of the pack of any sort in terms of FFXI DRK's, and I'll go as far as to say he's actually quite derp considering his position on ODD proc rate for relic additional hits (Hint: It doesn't proc on additional hits)

So to compare someone from this game to him, it is lol, and if I were that person I would feel fairly insulted.

Unless of course you think he's great because he has a relic, in which case, you win all of my lols sir.

[Molly_Millions]

Well, I took the statement as a compliment due to the context. I'm not sure who Unctgtg is. I know I'm not giving bad advice, because I follow it myself and it works for me. This isn't a contest to determine who's right, it's an evolving discussion. So as long as we're all paying attention to what's being said (myself included), we can all improve. There's always room for it.

[Churchill]

Well, maybe, but your original assumptions in this thread weren't entirely accurate and became more off base when you first obtained the weapon comparison sheet.

If ranking the weapons, and ignoring the different 2LT ones, you have Bravura/Garuda's/Ifrit's/Moogle/Giantsgall.

Two of these weapons will never be compared to, so we will ignore them.*

Between Ifrit/Moogle/Giantsgall-
Ifrit is a clear winner with no modifications, Moogle behind that, and Giantsgall in the rear

-If you are ~15-20 under STR cap, and Giantsgall has a STR meld, it is better
-If you need to swap on ACC rings to come under capped stats, Moogle is better
-If you are capped stats, and you meld 60+AP on a Giantsgall, Giantsgall is better

More often than not, if I didn't have 30ACC on my axe I'd need to replace STR rings for ACC rings, in which case Moogle is always better. This covers ~80% of situations on WAR, with some situations requiring no accuracy and others requiring tanking gear. To be clear, of these 3, Moogle is almost always both the best tanking and best DPS axe.

*Bravura and Garuda both require additional triples/DL to cap, but even if you wore your standard gear they are better than Ifrit/Moogle. What does it take for Giantsgall to beat a 350/310 Garuda/Bravura? ~90AP for Garuda and ~150AP for Bravura, assuming you need zero accuracy and that triple (perfect) or quint melding is a desirable option for you vice just getting a different weapon.

Personally, I think the most realistic way to look at Giantsgall is to meld it with Heaven's Eye IV (single) or Strength IV (single) and utilize it in a way that allows you to swap different accuracy or strength pieces in while maintaining capped/close to capped stats. Use this to work on a better weapon/better gear, then sell it. Obviously if you can afford to double/attempt doubles on either of those stats or AP, there's a good chance you'd be better off working on a pair of ~50STR gloves, ~25STR pants, etc. There are better options to spend money on and those options inherently make the other axe options much more appealing.

[Molly_Millions]

Obviously if you can afford to double/attempt doubles on either of those stats or AP, there's a good chance you'd be better off working on a pair of ~50STR gloves, ~25STR pants, etc. There are better options to spend money on and those options inherently make the other axe options much more appealing.

I have both of those. I also enjoy skirmish, so somebody has to do something with all those weapons. The simple fact that a weapon can be made that can give primal weapons a run for their money is exactly the reason to make one in my eyes. I want a full double melded set of Sentinel's armor too, which is also not the best set of armor in the game. I'd personally MUCH rather have that than a full set of HDL. Anyone who's been playing for a while knows that gear doesn't make the player. I'd love to have a set of gear that, while it may be beaten stat-wise by other player's gear, will still make people's jaws drop.

My statements weren't all 100% accurate, but I corrected myself as soon as I found out I was wrong. Conversations are two way streets, we're not making proclamations from rooftops here.

[Kagato]

Seems like a standard answer when someone doesn't know what to say.

You used a player that isn't a leader of the pack of any sort in terms of FFXI DRK's, and I'll go as far as to say he's actually quite derp considering his position on ODD proc rate for relic additional hits (Hint: It doesn't proc on additional hits)

So to compare someone from this game to him, it is lol, and if I were that person I would feel fairly insulted.

Unless of course you think he's great because he has a relic, in which case, you win all of my lols sir.

Then by all means, who are you referring to? If the answer is anyone else other than Kirsty or even Urteil, hell... even me, then you're wrong.

[Churchill]

seriously loling now, you seem to be just saying names you've heard of and lumping yourself in.

As far as who I'm referring to, I think it's quite clear I didn't make a reference to anyone...so it makes it all the more confusing as to why you're trying to name drop.