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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters
    Who had the character building? Because it certainly wasn't Wuk Lamat.
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    Wuk Lamat kind of reminds me of Naruto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorito_Burrito View Post
    Late night, come home
    Wuk sucks, I know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rxvenluvsducks View Post
    Tell me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace, without telling me you don't like children learning their reason of fighting for peace.
    Serei no Moribito did this trope infinitely better than what DT did with it. It can be done well, and DT did not do it well.
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    Suk Lamat.
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    Pray return to the Wuk Lamat!
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    She's OK to me, but she truly reminded me of OG Naruto and that felt weird. You know, the really optimistic, quirky, cringe, fun character that speaks loudly and adores food. Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

    That being said she's OK. I came across more unbearable characters (looking at you, Asahi).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMasamune View Post
    She's OK to me, but she truly reminded me of OG Naruto and that felt weird. You know, the really optimistic, quirky, cringe, fun character that speaks loudly and adores food. Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

    That being said she's OK. I came across more unbearable characters (looking at you, Asahi).
    I agree there are more characters that make my skin crawl than Wuk Lamat, the difference is.. I wasn't force to be stuck with them for hours on end (I think the most dialogue heavy character in all of XIV history) and possibly well into the next 2yrs of patches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMasamune View Post
    She's OK to me, but she truly reminded me of OG Naruto and that felt weird. You know, the really optimistic, quirky, cringe, fun character that speaks loudly and adores food. Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

    That being said she's OK. I came across more unbearable characters (looking at you, Asahi).
    That's because Asahi is the bad guy. He's supposed to be unlikable. He wasn't the protagonist. Unlike Alphinaud who was unlike in ARR, Wuk Lamat never had any moments where she was torn down and built herself back up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMasamune View Post
    She's OK to me, but she truly reminded me of OG Naruto and that felt weird. You know, the really optimistic, quirky, cringe, fun character that speaks loudly and adores food. Was waiting for her to shout dattebayo bro.

    That being said she's OK. I came across more unbearable characters (looking at you, Asahi).
    The biggest difference between Wuk Lamat and characters like OG Naruto and other sorts of "golden retriever" type characters (that are actually well-written) is that they have their own struggles that serve to ground them, Naruto is the way he is because he seeks attention and approval from *someone*, because he's all alone and shunned by the village. In that sense, the way he is is justified.

    I absolutely adore the "golden retriever" character archetype and it's lowkey one of my favorites to the point I really liked Wuk Lamat at the beginning and thought she would become one of my favorite characters, but there's just no substance to the way she acts, no compelling and underlying reason for her positivity and optimism aside from "Well daddy likes peace so I like it too."

    People who are overly nice and extremely positive/energetic/silly usually have some underlying trauma that makes them act the way they are, Wuk Lamat has no such trauma, no issues of abandonment by her real father, hell she doesn't even seem to be curious who her real father is. She never saw the horrors of war and that's why she came to value peace, she doesn't have an irrational fear of having the people around her hurt which is why she so stubbornly clings to the idea of peace, she's just a talking piece for a very generic morality of "Gais, fighting is bad and let's all work together"

    Hell, they don't even go the route of making it so that Wuk Lamat lacks the power to maintain the peace that her father created, maybe they could have explored that the only reason Gulool Ja Ja was able to create peace was because behind the scenes there were overwhelming acts of violence to reign the citizens in that maybe have been lost to generations, maybe they could have put a twist on her father and made her suffer some sort of breakdown because the person she believed raised her wasn't the ideal she believed him to be.

    Just ahhh, traumatize the characters, SE. If you're going to create a character that's too good for this world then you need to mess them up mentally by making them experience the horrors of the world or have things that they don't deserve to have happen to them end up messing them up mentally.

    It makes for compelling writing and it makes us want to cheer for the character even more and see them succeed, if we actually watched Wuk Lamat struggle to come to terms with *something* before finally getting the resolve she needed at the end of the last trial because she doesn't want to let her friend fight alone and actually wants to confront her problems, then it would actually work, or at least not be so crappy
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    Last edited by Dogempire; 07-08-2024 at 02:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    The biggest difference between Wuk Lamat and characters like OG Naruto and other sorts of "golden retriever" type characters (that are actually well-written) is that they have their own struggles that serve to ground them, Naruto is the way he is because he seeks attention and approval from *someone*, because he's all alone and shunned by the village. In that sense, the way he is is justified.
    Damn you're right, I totally forgot that aspect of Naruto.

    She's Naruto minus the obvious attention-seeker side (that is warranted since Naruto was discarded and botherline hated by the village).

    So an annoying kid that got everything they want and clings to their new friends whilst wanting to be the main character in every situation.
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