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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    You don't have to out yourself like this for never having read actual good character development.
    Yeah. Wuk Lamat does not have character development. She's literally the same person she was when she started, with the minor exception that she isn't "afraid" to show weakness--which isn't character development at all; it's just her getting used to companions who don't care. She starts the game incredibly naive and cartoonish and ends the game the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Folsom View Post
    Yeah. Wuk Lamat does not have character development. She's literally the same person she was when she started, with the minor exception that she isn't "afraid" to show weakness--which isn't character development at all; it's just her getting used to companions who don't care. She starts the game incredibly naive and cartoonish and ends the game the same way.
    Shows how much you know! She also learned to like Alpacas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters
    The character building with Wuk Lamat is terrible. It is the kinda stuff you can expect a 6th grade kid to write really. From over confident and naive to still over confident and naive (but it works out this time because the power of friendship).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters
    Bakool Ja ja had more character development that Wuk. And he was still more cartoonish joke than a real character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    Character building must be really foreign to a lot of these posters
    Is the character building in the room with us now? I'm almost done with the story and I'm still waiting for this supposed Wuk Lamat character development to happen.

    I'm trying really hard to like her, but it's like she's the same annoying character throughout the entire story who never fails at anything and everything always works out for her regardless. Genuinely just god awful Mary Sue style writing from low tier fan fiction honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    Is the character building in the room with us now? I'm almost done with the story and I'm still waiting for this supposed Wuk Lamat character development to happen.
    she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean
    I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

    I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

    I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.
    Yes, exactly. There is a world of difference between a character who is unlikable because they are poorly written (Wuk Lamat) and characters who are unlikable in the context of a well written story (Julian Bashir, Star Trek DS9; Jamie Lannister, Game of Thrones). Unsurprisingly, the well written ones see good, actual character development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    I'm a pretty avid reader, but it's kind of poor storytelling if I have to wait for a character to be redeemed and become likeable towards the very end, especially because she played such an enormous role in the MSQ. It's not surprising that people are having a hard time liking a story that revolves around a character that is supposed to be unlikeable until the very end. It would be like the entirety of a Star Wars movie revolving around Jar Jar Binks as the main character with 90% of the screen time, everyone would understandably hate it.

    I don't mind unlikeable characters that grow throughout the story and have character development, I understand that. But you also need to have another character that we the reader/viewer need to relate to and like along the way or you just end up being annoyed that the focus is always on this character you are not even *supposed* to like until the end.
    I hate to tell you, and I'm not even sure where you got this idea from, but Wuk is supposed to be endearing from the very beginning. You're SUPPOSED to like her, but think that she's not ready for leadership yet. You hating her from the beginning is just you. imo, the writing/cutscenes make that very clear.

    That said, whether or not you feel it works or not is the real question, and obviously it doesn't for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubont View Post
    she's a new character. She is presented as young and naive. Over the course of the current MSQ, she is shown as growing into her own, especially the last few quests. She will supposedly be involved in this new arc and is expected to grow fully into a more fleshed out character over the course of the arc. Read a few good books, you'll see what I mean
    The problem is, she barely grows. Unless there's a massive change right at the end, but between 5 out of the 6 zones of the Expansion, she's pretty much same unlikeable idiot she started as that we're just supposed to like and can't say no to.
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