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    My experience with viper

    Viper has been fun for me but I mostly been goofying off at a higher apm on a skill speed build. Mostly just as a way to practice rotation and memorizing what to do with less hesitation.

    Steel Fang / Dread Fang: 1.90s
    Uncoiled Fury: 2.67s
    Reawaken: 1.67s
    Generation 1 to 4: 1.52s
    Ouroboros: 2.28s

    Skill speed only at 2550 at the moment. Still room for improvement. Mostly mildly curious if the hardcap is 1.5 for vipers abilities.

    At first I didn't quiet understand what the job was meant to do. But it sort of just, clicked, on the first trial boss of DT.

    Maybe its just because I am doing a higher apm version of viper, but I found that Dreadwinder+True North is a fairly sound opener. Though it should only be taken with a grain of salt as I personally don't know if its the most optimal.

    Also instead of using Steel Fangs, I found myself using Dread Fangs more often to keep the debuff on the enemy refreshed. Meanwhile using another usage of Dreadwinder with the 2 Coils to refresh the two buffs you get as viper (Hunter and Swiftskin).

    For new vipers, who have trouble following along, just click the glowy buttons. In fact on the buff timers you will get an icon letting you know in advance what your next combo button will be.
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    i try viper and while iam enjoying it, its definitely not a class to play if your internet not stable like mine

    i play with roughly 150-200ms and sometimes it get spiked for a second or two, and when it happen it mess up my rotation so bad i end up drawing blank for a second

    its really fun class though
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    Oh that that is understandable if your internet does that. As that lag spike might be unforgiving if it was in the middle of refreshing and extending the debuff duration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Also instead of using Steel Fangs, I found myself using Dread Fangs more often to keep the debuff on the enemy refreshed. Meanwhile using another usage of Dreadwinder with the 2 Coils to refresh the two buffs you get as viper (Hunter and Swiftskin).
    Steel Fangs is higher potency than Dread Fangs, though, so it should be prioritized outside of needing a refresh on Noxious Gnash. I really only use Dread Fangs if I need a refresh on the debuff and I don't have any Dreadwinder charges left. It feels very much like Reaper's Shadow of Death/Death's Design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstride View Post
    Steel Fangs is higher potency than Dread Fangs, though, so it should be prioritized outside of needing a refresh on Noxious Gnash. I really only use Dread Fangs if I need a refresh on the debuff and I don't have any Dreadwinder charges left. It feels very much like Reaper's Shadow of Death/Death's Design.
    I very much agree with that as its there for when you are fine on noxious gnash. My own rotation I still need to refine and improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    i try viper and while iam enjoying it, its definitely not a class to play if your internet not stable like mine

    i play with roughly 150-200ms and sometimes it get spiked for a second or two, and when it happen it mess up my rotation so bad i end up drawing blank for a second

    its really fun class though
    Desperately hoping they do some animation lock/button register adjustments during their first patch for Savage adjustments and stuff. There are times when my Twinfang/Twinblood second OGCD just REFUSES to go off even though I'm mashing the button. Game will just randomly decide that I didn't mash the button before moving back to the rest of my combo. It's sooooo frustrating.
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    I'm really enjoying Viper. It's at 100. I love the VPR burst. The Reawaken sequence is so flashy and fun. My biggest issues so far are the Dreadwinder abilities are a slower GCD which feels weird in the opener since it comes after your main combo so you have to wait a second to use Dreadwinder. And I think they went overboard on the button consolidation. I don't like that Serpent's Tail turns into the legacies because where I had serpent's tail pre-100 is not a good spot to spam the way you have to weave the legacies, so I had to put a second serpent's tail on my hotbar in a better spot to use for the legacies which throws me off a bit when both buttons light up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post

    Maybe its just because I am doing a higher apm version of viper, but I found that Dreadwinder+True North is a fairly sound opener. Though it should only be taken with a grain of salt as I personally don't know if its the most optimal.
    The balance has the current Viper opener out if you're interested. It's pretty long, but basically it's Dread Fang, Swiftskin, then 1 Dreadwinder combo into Reawaken combo, then finish your main combo, then Uncoiled Fury combo twice, before finishing with your other Dreadwinder combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliverQ View Post
    The balance has the current Viper opener out if you're interested. It's pretty long, but basically it's Dread Fang, Swiftskin, then 1 Dreadwinder combo into Reawaken combo, then finish your main combo, then Uncoiled Fury combo twice, before finishing with your other Dreadwinder combo.
    Ah okay, thank you. I had been experimenting a little bit with that but wasn't entirely sure what the general consensus was for the 2nd dreadwinder use. Good to know that is how to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krolja View Post
    Desperately hoping they do some animation lock/button register adjustments during their first patch for Savage adjustments and stuff. There are times when my Twinfang/Twinblood second OGCD just REFUSES to go off even though I'm mashing the button. Game will just randomly decide that I didn't mash the button before moving back to the rest of my combo. It's sooooo frustrating.
    this happened a lot to me but i though it just my internet bonking me

    the double weaving for twinfang and blood is tight and sometimes when it proc, if you press it to fast it didnt register, weird
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