Pictomancer is insanely overtuned and needs to be fixed before savage drops.

[Genoreaper]

The black mage issue is a separate one from picto though. Picto's rotation and game flow feels perfect. They nailed the job and I thoroughly enjoy playing it. Right now its potencies are a bit too high though, and that can do with some dialing back. But overnerfing pictomancer to compensate for what they did to black mage is not the answer. Fixing black mage should be a separate priority. BLM didn't deserve what it got, and undoing that damage should take precedence over anything else. I've played black mage since heavenward and I loved the iteration from endwalker. Playing picto right now feels much like playing blm in endwalker did. It feels good to play, and that shouldn't be taken away from it. Reducing its damage is fine, but it doesn't need anything more. And black mage needs some attention and love. They need to seriously reconsider how they revamped the class, because it's not working out very well.

Potency is really the only issue i have with it, it's fun and rewarding to play like blm used to be. I want more jobs to be engaging like them, I brought up black mage because it felt like a slap in the face that we HAD to be gutted. For them to give a utility caster everything they took

[Galvuu]

Viper/Sam and rpr (wtf?) are better than pct in adps

They're actually quite close, quite a few PCTs in the top 100 adps for either ex trial on the site that shall not be named.
At that point, it might be a comp thing- it's defo a contender for adps, and even if it's not top dog, it's only by a sliver.

[SenzorialBoundries]

Topic title.

I'm not sure how they managed to make a job that by current math is so overtuned that it's a net RDPS gain to just bring another PCT over a lot of the other options (Especially SMN).

A job that has utility should never, ever be outdpsing a "selfish" job with no raid buffs like BLM as a baseline, but that's unfortunately the case at present.

The job itself is extremely well-designed; the potencies are just a bit too bloated for everything else it brings.

a green picto does more dmg than a 99 smn

[Stasya]

I beg SE adjust numbers on raid or savage patch and not wait for an additional month after savage for balance

[Sequora]

I beg SE adjust numbers on raid or savage patch and not wait for an additional month after savage for balance

I hope they only nerf it slightly. Pictomancer is in an interesting place. Caster has always been a problematic role in its balance philosophy.

Black mage has always struggled in the raid scene. Most groups prefer meleex2 caster ranged DPS. On top of this, despite the lower damage, groups prefer SMN or RDM for Rez.

Pictomancer joins black mage as another high damage caster without Rez. Despite having many instant cast spells and abilities, many of them need to be setup. It needs to be dealing nonSAM melee levels of DPS.

It should be below BLM in terms of raw damage, but only just below.

I’ve seen ridiculous comments of people thinking it should be slightly above SMN and below all melee DPS. Its utility is similar to other DPS jobs, it doesn’t have a Rez, and has to hard cast more than a job like summoner.

[CaedemSanguis]

I hope they only nerf it slightly. Pictomancer is in an interesting place. Caster has always been a problematic role in its balance philosophy.

Black mage has always struggled in the raid scene. Most groups prefer meleex2 caster ranged DPS. On top of this, despite the lower damage, groups prefer SMN or RDM for Rez.

Pictomancer joins black mage as another high damage caster without Rez. Despite having many instant cast spells and abilities, many of them need to be setup. It needs to be dealing nonSAM melee levels of DPS.

It should be below BLM in terms of raw damage, but only just below.

I’ve seen ridiculous comments of people thinking it should be slightly above SMN and below all melee DPS. Its utility is similar to other DPS jobs, it doesn’t have a Rez, and has to hard cast more than a job like summoner.

Well he have group utility, even with long cast, pct being behind drg/rpr/nin/mnk in rdps make sense

[Melphina_Dragonfyre]

The point is that if picto is too far behind BLM, then there isn't much point in bringing a picto. It's a pretty selfish caster DPS very similar in playstyle to BLM. It has a raid buff, a 10% party mit, and a minor heal of 400 potency that requires some setup. The job's primary role is first and foremost being a damage dealer, with a little bit of support added in. And the support abilities have a fairly long recast. Picto isn't capable of doing sustained healing, nor does it have a rez. So it should ideally be sitting a little bit below blm in power, but not too far. And let's just acknowledge that BLM is kinda F-d right now. Before making any major changes elsewhere they need to fix what they did to BLM. I'm sorely disappointed with the BLM changes in Dawntrail. This is the first expansion I've ever played where blm doesn't feel fun to play. That's a far bigger issue. Fix blm first, and lower pictos potencies a little bit. No need to break out the sledgehammer just to crack some peanuts.

[Ranaku]

Again, maybe we should talk about lifting the other caster/ranged jobs up a bit.

Especially when it comes to one of the selfish ranged dps, Machinist. Which does, as far as i can tell, overall less damage than a bard. That is the true crime here.

[CaedemSanguis]

The point is that if picto is too far behind BLM, then there isn't much point in bringing a picto. It's a pretty selfish caster DPS very similar in playstyle to BLM. It has a raid buff, a 10% party mit, and a minor heal of 400 potency that requires some setup. The job's primary role is first and foremost being a damage dealer, with a little bit of support added in. And the support abilities have a fairly long recast. Picto isn't capable of doing sustained healing, nor does it have a rez. So it should ideally be sitting a little bit below blm in power, but not too far. And let's just acknowledge that BLM is kinda F-d right now. Before making any major changes elsewhere they need to fix what they did to BLM. I'm sorely disappointed with the BLM changes in Dawntrail. This is the first expansion I've ever played where blm doesn't feel fun to play. That's a far bigger issue. Fix blm first, and lower pictos potencies a little bit. No need to break out the sledgehammer just to crack some peanuts.

no it's not selfish, a selfish dps dont have raid buff (blm/sam/vip/mch)

and yes he should be behind blm in adps, rdps it can be discussed

[Ayakia]

I think its insane that SE is taking stuff away from Viper but isn't touching PCT. I have PCT at 100, my wife VPR at 100.. I think PCT needs a DMG nerf and VPR a DMG boost. I cannot believe how quickly I kill things solo compared to ANY OTHER JOB I'VE SEEN. Its *nuts.*