Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
This is the problem right here. Every critique of Picto's damage output assumes a black and white dichotomy. Most people aren't saying they have any issue with double caster. We're pointing out that assuming Black Mage gets buffed to Picto's level, both will be the undisputed best jobs in the game. They aren't on par with the melee, they're better than them. Like I said above, why does Picto, a job with both a raid buff and utility deal more damage than Monk or Reaper, who have the exact same thing.

To make this clear, if Black Mage dealt roughly around what Picto is now, then Picto itself was in the Monk/Dragoon or thereabouts. We wouldn't be having this discussion. In that scenario, double caster is still perfectly viable and quite strong. Especially if fights where melee uptime might be an issue--assuming the devs do move away from Endwalker's design. Case in point, E8S would 100% be a Caster play in this hypothetical given how much that fight hated melee. And that's fine. Right now though, Picto/BLM would just be better in every fight.
Best jobs for what?
Prog? Certaintly not, you are better off replacing at least one of them for SMN/RDM if you are running double caster (preferably BLM).
To clear for the average group and better than average group? Debatable, especially considering BLM. It's an inflexible job now that still requires skill to just keep basic uptime, let alone optimize. You would be better off playing an easier job that can provide high damage faster and with less effort required.
For speed kills/farm runs? Yeah, I guess. And this matters how?

What does Monk/Dragoon mean? Are we talking about data or vibes here? MNK is unquestionably better than DRG, it deals more damage and actually has utility (which is also stronger/more versatile than PCT's). Since you guys love to consider the 99th percentile, in EX1 MNK is the third strongest DPS, behind PCT and SAM. Dragoon is the weakest melee, on par with NIN. It's a problem for you that PCT, a job with utility, does a bit more damage than MNK and RPR, jobs with utility, but somehow it's perfectly fine to you that MNK and even RPR deal more damage than DRG, which has no utility. Even better: the difference between MNK and DRG is bigger than the difference between PCT and MNK!

Galvuu already addressed this (and we talked about this 596 times already), but do you really believe that if melee uptime is a problem, caster uptime on the other hand isn't? Especially when your entire argument relies on the assumption that if BLM is buffed, everyone will play it and everyone will be good at it because it's an easy jobwith free uptime, unlike those poor melees (won't anyone think of the melees?)?!


You guys couldn't be more clueless about casters even if you tried, I swear.