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    Player
    Keldion's Avatar
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    Keldion Duskwander
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    The focus MUST be on healing. Not damage rotations.
    This already is the case from a class design perspective. Healer damage skills don't need the depth of DPS jobs, but every healer could use 1 more damage-related button at most without diluting their primary role.

    What you're approaching is encounter design and player skill. Healer is objectively the worst off in the current state of the game, because they trade a metric that is always needed (damage) for one that is situational (healing), especially if more damage is weighted into avoidable telegraphs. Bad players will keep you busy, and good players ironically leave you with nothing to do.

    I don't believe Square currently tunes their encounters around healer DPS contributions, and they should only ever be considered a bonus.
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    Princess- Princess
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Nope. What these new DT dungeons has shown me is allot of the healers in this game are just terrible at healing. Their main job. If you’re a good healer then great I can’t wait to see you around and play together but so far from what I’ve seen. Yuck. Wiping for almost half an hour on DT dungeons is ridiculous because a healer must won’t press their healing skills much.

    Again, if you are one of the few good healers this isn’t towards you. Though a hit dog will holler.
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    Yo-tsu Amilar
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    Zodiark
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    If you’re a good healer then great I can’t wait to see you around and play together
    Thing is, a lot of the decent and better healers are starting to take the Response given to their feedback of "if you don't like healer, don't play it" and are doing just that.
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    Naomi Valesti
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    Raiden
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Nope. What these new DT dungeons has shown me is allot of the healers in this game are just terrible at healing. Their main job. If you’re a good healer then great I can’t wait to see you around and play together but so far from what I’ve seen. Yuck. Wiping for almost half an hour on DT dungeons is ridiculous because a healer must won’t press their healing skills much.
    Not sure what you ranting about getting bad dungeon parties has to do with the discussion on healing to be honest. Sorry that you had such a bad experience in party-finder, I suppose?
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    Silver-Strider's Avatar
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Nope. What these new DT dungeons has shown me is allot of the healers in this game are just terrible at healing. Their main job. If you’re a good healer then great I can’t wait to see you around and play together but so far from what I’ve seen. Yuck. Wiping for almost half an hour on DT dungeons is ridiculous because a healer must won’t press their healing skills much.

    Again, if you are one of the few good healers this isn’t towards you. Though a hit dog will holler.
    Idk, I've been able to go from a boss at 60-70% with the healer and other DPS dead and still been able to clear most bosses, and that's as a MCH with a DRK tank.
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I believe all healers should have different kits but with the same capabilities (sheild, heal, regen, mitigation) but done differently.

    let me give you example:

    I would give a Metrix to have the design philosophy,

    Is healer Hard casting or Soft casting?
    Is healer playstyle is DPS or Support Buffs or Dots?
    Is healer Reactive or Proactive?

    if count the possibilities that would be 2 x 3 x 2= 12 possible healers that could fit with different kit that have same capability.
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I couldn't give two hoots about principles. Semantics don't equate to good job design.

    What I care about is the fact that I routinely press 1 singular button 100+ times in a duty. That's A) A problem and B) A mind numbingly boring gameplay experience in the long term
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    Lazariah's Avatar
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    Laz Ravenheart
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I'm not gonna lie, healing bores me now. I used to love it but every time an expansion would come out that makes healers "easier" got me more and more bored. Now it feels braindead in the vast majority of content. It's not fun. And that is my problem.

    I'm not a game designer by any means and I wont pretend like I know the answer. And any suggestions I may have have already been said really. But I think, in the end, they need to make healers fun and engaging. And I don't think SE can do it. I really don't. They're so afraid of making healers complex in any way they've put fun to the side. The fact that none of the devs play healer and find it a chore speaks volumes. They need to sit down and come up with something they would find fun. Plain and simple.
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    thereal_aliceanders's Avatar
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    Pochen Lionheart
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    Cuchulainn
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Dear Healers,
    Welcome to what it's like to main bard. Get over it, move on.
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by thereal_aliceanders View Post
    Dear Healers,
    Welcome to what it's like to main bard. Get over it, move on.
    Uh excuse you we were in the 1 button dps repeat first, sweetie.
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