Do healers actually want a more complex damage rotation?

[Naychan]

Hopefully this wont come across as argumentative because I'm just genuinely curious if the majority of people want a more complex damage rotation on healers? Or is it just the case they want more difficulty and identity for the role?

It Does not have to be overly complex but a few extra options would be nice.
wall to wall pulls Old scholar atherflow > aldo on tank > dome> dot & Dot > Bane > heal > ae > dot & dot, Bane > Heal > ae > atherflow
current scholar on pull ather flow > aldo > Dome > AE, AE, AE, AE, AE, Ae, > heal > AE, AE, Ae, AE, AE, AE, AE , AE, Heal > encounter over
Im wearing out buttons 1-3 on my keyboard Nuke - dot - AE

that pretty much sums up dungeons,

[flowerkatie]

It Does not have to be overly complex but a few extra options would be nice.
wall to wall pulls Old scholar atherflow > aldo on tank > dome> dot & Dot > Bane > heal > ae > dot & dot, Bane > Heal > ae > atherflow
current scholar on pull ather flow > aldo > Dome > AE, AE, AE, AE, AE, Ae, > heal > AE, AE, Ae, AE, AE, AE, AE , AE, Heal > encounter over
Im wearing out buttons 1-3 on my keyboard Nuke - dot - AE

that pretty much sums up dungeons,

Yeah, you're right. I think a big flaw of my opinion on this, is that I don't often include dungeons when I'm thinking of engaging content and thats a big issue. Healers are in a pretty bad position in dungeons.

[Lambdafish]

Yeah, you're right. I think a big flaw of my opinion on this, is that I don't often include dungeons when I'm thinking of engaging content and thats a big issue. Healers are in a pretty bad position in dungeons.

The one thing I do agree with you on is that healer DPS should be fundamentally different from other roles. There needs to be a flow between healing and DPS that uses the same resources, and allows decision making between powerful heals and powerful DPS. Aetherflow is a good example of this, but it is the most basic and barebones form of this job design.

[Azurarok]

The one thing I do agree with you on is that healer DPS should be fundamentally different from other roles. There needs to be a flow between healing and DPS that uses the same resources, and allows decision making between powerful heals and powerful DPS. Aetherflow is a good example of this, but it is the most basic and barebones form of this job design.

I'm really on the fence with healing and dps resources that are mutually exclusive to each other because there are folks out there that try to offload healing to their co-healer and spend them on dps instead, no matter how small the gain is. I don't know how often it happens, but it definitely has made for some really messy partyfinders in the past. And these aren't learning parties that's happened in, either.

[Connor]

I don't see how that fixes, if we see people "Complaining" and "Crying" as a reason that something should not be fixed then you'll never find any solution because people always dislike change.

Unfortunately that’s just the point we’ve reached though. They’ve essentially been backed into a design corner where they can’t change anything without bringing the whole thing down. As a result they’re basically trying to keep everything the exact same as much as possible and appease feedback from every angle, resulting in the current situation where pretty much nobody is happy anymore.

Whether they want more interesting healing, dps options, varied/interesting support options, the game is basically designed for nobody anymore lol. I mean, I’d personally prefer if healers were actual healers with fun and interesting ways to support the party and not ‘discount dps with healing oGCDs’, but for all the reasons I mentioned before there’s simply too many hurdles for them to overcome for that to be something actually doable

[flowerkatie]

Whether they want more interesting healing, dps options, varied/interesting support options, the game is basically designed for nobody anymore lol. I mean, I’d personally prefer if healers were actual healers with fun and interesting ways to support the party and not ‘discount dps with healing oGCDs’, but for all the reasons I mentioned before there’s simply too many hurdles for them to overcome for that to be something actually doable

Yeah, agreed

[Zeastria]

Complex DPS does NOT translate to (=) engaging/fun gameplay, not for me.

I previously made an example
of how i would have reworked SCH "dps kit".
Into something more fun,yet simple.

To give an example
based on what I think is fun
and the level of complexity im looking at.

SCH:
Let us spread our DoT [Biolysis] with [Deployment Tactics] Like in PvP.

[Broil] have 50% change to trigger an another ability [New ST Ability].

[New Dot]
Add another DoT ability,
which also can be spread with [Deployment Tactics]!.

[Art of War]
has increased radius.

[Energy Drain] has an addional effect:
inc your DoT(s) dmg by x% for x sec.
(does NOT stack).
(still used for weaving between Broils
and to dump aetherflow stacks)

[Dissipation]
Addional effect:
Make [Energy Drain] free to cast
during it's duration (30s)

What does this give:

1. One extra ST button to press.
2. Two Dots (not counting the new dot tied to chain stratagem).
3. Both Dots can be spread with [Deployment Tactics].
4. [Dissipation] (2min cd)
Gets an additonal effects that let you spam energy drain w/o cost,
meaning you can use [Energy Drain]s w/o worrying about
useing your aetherflow stacks duing that window (30s).
5.[Energy Drain] buffs your next DoTs ( adding some depth).

However they don't need make all healers the same in terms of complexity!
Players who wants more complex jobs should have the option to pick just that..
likewise those who want simpler job.

[Rolder50]

I want healing to be a more interesting and engaging experience. I really don't care how they get there, whether it be more healing requirements, a better DPS rotation, more support tools, a little of each, whatever.

[Rithy255]

not a "damage rotation" this is a really odd thing to ask for, I think something more akin to casters or ranged, where you're not following a strict button rotation of 1, 2, 3 (ect lol)

When I ask for more DPS spells on healer im not asking for a "rotation", I'd want procs, different Dot timers or just more spells I guess you can call that a "rotation" but I'd consider that sort of stuff different and infact more interesting on healer jobs then a "rotation"

I'd even want more nuanced things like different cast times, such as long cast times on White mage, theirs a lot you can do with some extra dps spells rather then a "rotation of them".

[Genoreaper]

Healing should be more engaging. Dps has complexity, (well did before this xpac)

Tank had complexity before tank stances took over, back when they had to juggle aggro combo.

Healing should be engaging and i think that the biggest culprit is the design choice of needing them to dps during dungeons and such. It isn't adding to anyone enjoyment.

If red mages were in here demanding more complex healing designs instead of a rez and vercure everyone would agree that's silly because it's not their main role. Healers should be able to splash in damage during rare stretches but not need to heal so rarely that they are considered green dps.

This weird homogeneous stance where everyone is considered dps just leaves everyone unhappy. I know the comparison is taboo but healing in "the other" mmo is engaging, has different styles than "pure heal and shield heal" they feel unique and their kits are useful in different scenarios even if one might slightly be better than the other based on individual dungeon or raid design.

This is all made worse by SE refusing for multiple xpacs to fix warrior. Making healers needed even less since they can just do great dps, have tank hp and mits, and heals. That class might as well play this game as a single player rpg. It is the holy trinity in one. As much salt as blm got for being special pet class of yoshi, (which has now been banished by a new caster that is easier, less strict, hits harder, isn't punished by mechanics, has a heal, a buff. Ect even has the hammer as a ranged spell that's 3 instants over 1k potency and all your motifs are instant castable by a swift cast every 40 seconds in combat and always instant between pulls) war is somehow covering all 3 roles