Dawntrail's MSQ story is a disaster and waste of potential. [full spoilers]

[Lady_Silvermoon]

Also that brief bit in solution nine with the people that are afflicted with a sickness due to lightning; didn't we have the end of SHB and a first portion of EW dedicated to Alisaie discovering a way to undo the effects of those that have had a little too much elemental juice? It just seemed really out of place or out of character not to have any of the twins go "Hey, that sounds like tempering. We can fix that!" And was conveniently glossed over for plot

Yeah, I was sure we brought it up because we just discovered a cure for it and were gonna tell them and help foster peace between our two peoples given they lectured me for forty straight hours about peace. But hey, we need our second and third trials, so forget about peace, I guess.

[ZXN]

Also that brief bit in solution nine with the people that are afflicted with a sickness due to lightning; didn't we have the end of SHB and a first portion of EW dedicated to Alisaie discovering a way to undo the effects of those that have had a little too much elemental juice? It just seemed really out of place or out of character not to have any of the twins go "Hey, that sounds like tempering. We can fix that!" And was conveniently glossed over for plot

I wouldn't be surprised if during the post-patch MSQ Alisaie DOES solve this problem...by assisting Wuk Lamat with solving the problem. Until Wuk Lamat brings up the problem and comes up with an answer to that problem, nobody else can or will do anything about it.

[Hallarem]

Also that brief bit in solution nine with the people that are afflicted with a sickness due to lightning; didn't we have the end of SHB and a first portion of EW dedicated to Alisaie discovering a way to undo the effects of those that have had a little too much elemental juice? It just seemed really out of place or out of character not to have any of the twins go "Hey, that sounds like tempering. We can fix that!" And was conveniently glossed over for plot

I don't think the new writers have played or read the old story up until now, except some bulletpoints. I'd bet money on it.

[Turtledeluxe]

I don't think the new writers have played or read the old story up until now, except some bulletpoints. I'd bet money on it.

I agree. It feels like they read Wikipedia summaries the night before.

[HighlanderClone]

I wouldn't be surprised if during the post-patch MSQ Alisaie DOES solve this problem...by assisting Wuk Lamat with solving the problem. Until Wuk Lamat brings up the problem and comes up with an answer to that problem, nobody else can or will do anything about it.

I am frankly sick and tired of half the MSQ being bloated with "let's make centuries-old problems disappear with a flick of the wrist" """""""plot"""""""

It also just goes to show that this game's story is catered to people with extremely fragile mental conditions. They cannot handle that children can be paralyzed like in the real world.

The story writers are taking the word "fantasy" far too literally. The renowned works of the fantasy genre have always portrayed a world full of grey, unfulfilled dreams, and inequality.

To CBU3 fantasy apparently means children's storybook utopia.

[Nathan_Fuilivain]

The shutting down of Living Memory should have been the 7.x patches so that there was room for krile and erenville to process and let go off their loved ones. It was such an unnecessary shift of focus from trying to stop sphene to talking with the endless and just making the decision to shut them off within a matter of 1-2 lvls of quests. Truly so much potential was wasted just rushing this story beat out before the final boss.

I can almost imagine them also exploring more in depth on the ideology of whether the endless can be considered alive or not. Just thinking about it makes me sad that it probably not gonna happen now.

[Voidmage]

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I somewhat agree.

The paralysis ok, we should have a way to deal with that but other than that…

It’s fine to have unresolved problems or problems at all.
Right now Tural is that big peaceful continent without any conflict even after Alexandria appeared.

Eorzea sure, the Ascians were interfering but even then we had Ishgard that had its own conflict with the dragons and even internal with the rich and poor, church and others.
Others also even without Garlemald had social problems, “pirates” in the ruby sea, the extreme isolation of the Au’ra underwater, Azim steppe conflict.
Garlemald itself is only slowly changing and you still see mistrust and fear from all sides.

While there is a path there now to peace it’s a long and hard won one.

Even Thavnair has some fickle problems left as the caster role quest shower or the aftermath of the final days (they have a first brood dragon as a ruler so no wonder they feel safer as others).

Ishgard still struggles with poverty and remnants of the church, Eorzea’s peace with the beast tribes is extremely fragile and the city states themself still have their own old struggles.

Turals conflict when we got there was shallow and resolved completely.
I don’t see any form of potential for unrest in the future.
The new Dawnservants are loved even by those who didn’t support them, bandit problems seem to be shallow at best and almost resolved with “understanding why” approach and Solution 9 was said in the credits to “don’t worry, they will come around to love their new ruler, wink, wink”.
Even when there are different viewpoints of the future like with the Pelupelu or the rogue giants it doesn‘t go anywhere. The later are not even regarded as a nuisance by the other giants.
And the Hrothgar-Mamool Ja hate is only in text but nothing else, not even really in sidequests. It’s all just… monotone.

I have seen some real mental gymnastics to defend that like “no Ascians, the last conflict only 80 years in the past or even Dynamis used as an answer.

I hope we stay in Tural because I don’t want these writers to touch Eorzea.

[Teraluna]

"I hope we stay in Tural because I don’t want these writers to touch Eorzea"

I'd prefer if they never touched ffxiv again.

We have numerous posts outlining different areas of deficiency, of plot holes, of sudden peace by mixing pot noodles (or something similar).
It all boils down to utterly awful writing.

SE - I don't know what persuaded you to go in this direction. Whether you deliriously imagined this was the new path to success.
Take your time to review the reactions. No hurry, you've already inflicted the damage.

Now, what can we expect? One of two paths maybe?
- you continue down this truly terrible road, or
- you do something along the lines of 2.0, at least for the story, and rescue this once great game from the utter mess it has become.

[Oichi]

"I hope we stay in Tural because I don’t want these writers to touch Eorzea"

I'd prefer if they never touched ffxiv again.

We have numerous posts outlining different areas of deficiency, of plot holes, of sudden peace by mixing pot noodles (or something similar).
It all boils down to utterly awful writing.

SE - I don't know what persuaded you to go in this direction. Whether you deliriously imagined this was the new path to success.
Take your time to review the reactions. No hurry, you've already inflicted the damage.

Now, what can we expect? One of two paths maybe?
- you continue down this truly terrible road, or
- you do something along the lines of 2.0, at least for the story, and rescue this once great game from the utter mess it has become.

100% this. I wish it was not so, but unfortunately that's exactly how I see it.

[sharplysurreal]

"I hope we stay in Tural because I don’t want these writers to touch Eorzea"

I'd prefer if they never touched ffxiv again.

We have numerous posts outlining different areas of deficiency, of plot holes, of sudden peace by mixing pot noodles (or something similar).
It all boils down to utterly awful writing.

SE - I don't know what persuaded you to go in this direction. Whether you deliriously imagined this was the new path to success.
Take your time to review the reactions. No hurry, you've already inflicted the damage.

Now, what can we expect? One of two paths maybe?
- you continue down this truly terrible road, or
- you do something along the lines of 2.0, at least for the story, and rescue this once great game from the utter mess it has become.

I think they are delusional in their conceptions of what they think the West is if this is their attempt at "seizing the overseas market". They think everyone is trans and fragile and that we need rubber bullets and pre school level disney songs and leftist safe space cultural representation that is inherently shallow and racist. Hey guys tacos haha nudge nudge wink wink. It really says more about us tho if this is what they think of us. I'd rather just play ARR - Endwalker in New Game + than pretend this shit ever existed.

Fantasy and fiction have always been media to explore the gritty parts of reality and find hope in it. In A Realm Reborn, which at this point is a masterpiece compared to Dawntrail, we deal with real issues. For one example - sex traffickers in Vylbrand. Yeah it's shitty. It sucks. But it exists. And you know what? We deal with it. The level 15 Rogue quest has us assassinate them. In the level 30 Arcanist quest we defeat the captain that abducted Kyl'hia. We transform lives. We fight evil and deliver hope to the people in a way that doesn't come off as insulting to the audience because it is without censorship or erasure or hamfisted overtures of getting along.

These writers need to start getting a clue or they're done.