Here's why I will not support this healer strike.

[TsubameMikage]

Seriously these people need to do 1 of 2 things and get off this forum because it's getting abit out of hand with the attitude they are giving off:

1. Change job and realize healing is not for you anymore in this game, you are bored and you need to move on.

2. Play a new game, just unsubb hit SE where it hurts with your protest, because at the moment you are not helping yourselves or the jobs look good at all.

Point #1 is exactly what the strike is about, thank you for your support.

I, personally, am going for point #2 and my sub has already lapsed and will remain so until I see actual action taken to improve the gameplay loop of healers.

For this expansion you can be 10 levels above the level 90 dungeons if you need something out of them like a pet. Of course you can't do it at higher levels. A level 100 can't solo a level 100 extreme dungeon which is where most of the good stuff is.

I was talking about the current expansion dungeons being farmed, I am not currently playing FF as my sub ended 4 days ago and I cancelled my Dawntrail preorder as well. Given historic designs, however, there will be pets, glam, TT cards and similar available to be farmed from the current round of leveling dungeons as well as the experts.

I never said the tanks could solo ALL dungeons. I have only seen them do it at levels where they first get their heal which is very low level for a paladin. I don't know about warrior. The higher the level the more the heal lags behind in it's ability because the boss can take them down before they can get their next heal off at higher levels.

I am not talking about tanks soloing dungeons. I'm talking 3 DPS, 1 Tank groups being better than the standard light party in dungeons. As long as the tank is able to mitigate and self-sustain through the trash pulls, then 3 DPS will outperform on boss fights as there is often very little damage being received by the party.

It needs to be looked at. Doesn't warrant a full on strike.

The strike is what will see it be looked at, otherwise it would be another 6 more years of more disappointment as SE refuses to do anything about their conflicting design paradigms:

The healer role design is based around simplistic damage and an intent that you should be healing the majority of the time.
The PvE fight design is based around easily avoided or predictable damage, meaning that there is almost never a need to use the majority of a healer's kit beyond your DPS filler button.

Both of those two are in conflict and need to be resolved.

Edit to add:

P.S. Healers have never been EXPECTED to dps except by toxic players that have come from other games. My daughter has gotten that also from some people recently trying to tell her how to play her class. Block them and move on. You are letting the toxicity get to you.

Enrage timers say what? Also - JoCat is not "a toxic player", and his crap guide advocates for doing damage as a healer. I could also point to many other guides to playing as a healer that point to doing damage is part of the expected gameplay loop: WeskAlber's 1-90 guides, to the same mentality stretching back to ARR. To claim it was "Only expected by toxic players" is just inaccurate.

[Kathryn]

I'm not interested in being respectable to protect the comfort of people who are happy with how things are

And this is one of the reasons why your movements is suffering pushback from players, you have all (not all but most of you) been extremely rude and disrespectful and you only want an echo chamber of negativity, which you have achieved because you jump on every person who doesnt support you in you 500 page thread and other threads, you all multi quote and pick peoples opinions apart to try and support your own narrative, please keep your negativity and hate to that thread because you are trolling at the moment and I will block/report all of you that carry on spreading misery.

Point #1 is exactly what the strike is about, thank you for your support.

I, personally, am going for point #2 and my sub has already lapsed and will remain so until I see actual action taken to improve the gameplay loop of healers.

Please don't put words into my mouth, I do not support your strike, I find it extremely childish and immature if im honest, Im glad to hear you have actually done something smart, you are a credit to your movement in that regard, but lingering in a forum of a game you actively dislike is not healthy for your mentality, I wish you all the best when you are unable to post anymore.

[TsubameMikage]

Please don't put words into my mouth, I do not support your strike

You advocate for playing a different job, recognizing that healing is not for those players. Which is exactly what the majority of the participants are doing: playing other jobs that they enjoy.

lingering in a forum of a game you actively dislike is not healthy for your mentality, I wish you all the best when you are unable to post anymore.

I don't dislike FF, I dislike the lack of attention to this aspect of the game. I would love to be playing Dawntrail or trying out Viper right now. I just don't think if I did so, I'd be effecting that much change in a more reasonable timeframe than 2 years from now.

[Sadebreth]

Point #1 is exactly what the strike is about, thank you for your support.

I, personally, am going for point #2 and my sub has already lapsed and will remain so until I see actual action taken to improve the gameplay loop of healers.


Edited to Add:

P.S. Healers have never been EXPECTED to dps except by toxic players that have come from other games. My daughter has gotten that also from some people recently trying to tell her how to play her class. Block them and move on. You are letting the toxicity get to you.


I was talking about the current expansion dungeons being farmed, I am not currently playing FF as my sub ended 4 days ago and I cancelled my Dawntrail preorder as well. Given historic designs, however, there will be pets, glam, TT cards and similar available to be farmed from the current round of leveling dungeons as well as the experts.



I am not talking about tanks soloing dungeons. I'm talking 3 DPS, 1 Tank groups being better than the standard light party in dungeons. As long as the tank is able to mitigate and self-sustain through the trash pulls, then 3 DPS will outperform on boss fights as there is often very little damage being received by the party.


The strike is what will see it be looked at, otherwise it would be another 6 more years of more disappointment as SE refuses to do anything about their conflicting design paradigms:

The healer role design is based around simplistic damage and an intent that you should be healing the majority of the time.
The PvE fight design is based around easily avoided or predictable damage, meaning that there is almost never a need to use the majority of a healer's kit beyond your DPS filler button.

Both of those two are in conflict and need to be resolved.

Edit to add:


Enrage timers say what? Also - JoCat is not "a toxic player", and his crap guide advocates for doing damage as a healer. I could also point to many other guides to playing as a healer that point to doing damage is part of the expected gameplay loop: WeskAlber's 1-90 guides, to the same mentality stretching back to ARR. To claim it was "Only expected by toxic players" is just inaccurate.

You read way too many guides. You also have a dps meter in your game don't you? Tell me one dungeon below extreme, of which are optional, that REQUIRES a healer to DPS? I have played this game since commercial release and the rage timers for regular and hard are not bad enough that a healer needs to dps anything. If a healer didn't have ANY ability to dps they wouldn't get past level 1. Use your damage to do quests.

[TsubameMikage]

You also have a dps meter in your game don't you?

Pretty sure there's no DPS meter in this game, if there is where in the settings do you find it?

Tell me one dungeon below extreme, of which are optional, that REQUIRES a healer to DPS?

Now, you've moved the goalposts. Your initial complaint was that healers are never needed to DPS except by 'toxic players'. Now, you're admitting that there is content where healers are expected to DPS and it has nothing to do with 'toxicity' at all.

Also, if you're a WHM - you should be DPSing on trash packs, because Holy is godlike.

[Supersnow845]

And this is one of the reasons why your movements is suffering pushback from players, you have all (not all but most of you) been extremely rude and disrespectful and you only want an echo chamber of negativity, which you have achieved because you jump on every person who doesnt support you in you 500 page thread and other threads, you all multi quote and pick peoples opinions apart to try and support your own narrative, please keep your negativity and hate to that thread because you are trolling at the moment and I will block/report all of you that carry on spreading misery.



Please don't put words into my mouth, I do not support your strike, I find it extremely childish and immature if im honest, Im glad to hear you have actually done something smart, you are a credit to your movement in that regard, but lingering in a forum of a game you actively dislike is not healthy for your mentality, I wish you all the best when you are unable to post anymore.

Have you ever stopped to consider that negativity is on both sides here and “your” side isn’t completely blameless

Take the last poster that got the strike thread going (the pink haired viera) she came in never having posted before on that thread, gave her opinion then closed with “you elitists” and wrote half a paragraph strawmanning. None of us said anything to her beforehand and she chose to open with vitriol, so we defend our points as we have many times (some people being excessively snarky about it I admit) then you come in and say we are all just vitriolic and we ant an echo chamber

Why aren’t you calling her out on opening with vitriol for near no reason but then painting someone like me who just likes to debate as vitriolic because I will push back and actually pick your arguments apart (and have mine picked apart in return)

If you look on my profile past what you see right now you'll see I have 3 jobs as my preferred class. Reaper. Gnb. And sch. Now. I haven't touched dt sch yet but it is a job I adore and love. I've healed savage and numerous ex with it so I have experience in stressful situation. This has made me appreciate the importance of the simple dps rotation it has. That you can easily worry about what is your actual job. Without having to stress over a dps rotation. Something I can't say is true for gunbreaker. Yet I don't see any of you crying over the tank homogenization? When confronted with arguments that don't fit your agenda. All you have left is to insult me and call me stupid. Your strike will fizzle out and se will entirely ignore It. Its time to play another job

I would reply that you can look at my post history to see I do argue against tank homogenisation but then you’d just say “I was speaking generally stop thinking yourself so important that I was talking to you directly”

[sindriiisgaming]

If you wish to experience what it's like to play Healer currently without changing classes, go as the Reaper listed as your Job and only ever use Shadow of Death and Whorl of Death. And then come back to tell us if that was riveting gameplay.

If you look on my profile past what you see right now you'll see I have 3 jobs as my preferred class. Reaper. Gnb. And sch. Now. I haven't touched dt sch yet but it is a job I adore and love. I've healed savage and numerous ex with it so I have experience in stressful situation. This has made me appreciate the importance of the simple dps rotation it has. That you can easily worry about what is your actual job. Without having to stress over a dps rotation. Something I can't say is true for gunbreaker. Yet I don't see any of you crying over the tank homogenization? In a way i find it funny. You want more identity bit u also want a green dps. When confronted with arguments that don't fit your agenda. All you have left is to insult me and call me stupid. Your strike will fizzle out and se will entirely ignore It. Its time to play another job or at the very least see what dt has to offer.

[Sadebreth]

Pretty sure there's no DPS meter in this game, if there is where in the settings do you find it?



Now, you've moved the goalposts. Your initial complaint was that healers are never needed to DPS except by 'toxic players'. Now, you're admitting that there is content where healers are expected to DPS and it has nothing to do with 'toxicity' at all.

Also, if you're a WHM - you should be DPSing on trash packs, because Holy is godlike.

It isn't in the settings, it's a mod.

And now you are twisting my words also. If you are a healer in any dungeon and you are so worried about dps then you are not concentrating on healing. Your dps should just be an afterthought PERIOD. The damage of a healer helps gets through a dungeon faster but that is it. You CAN but it is not required. PERIOD. They designed THIS game so that healers do not HAVE to dps in dungeons. PERIOD. End of story. Nothing else.

You are now just looking for a fight also so I am done. Have a good life and I wish you luck in anything you do.

[Kathryn]

Have you ever stopped to consider that negativity is on both sides here and “your” side isn’t completely blameless

Take the last poster that got the strike thread going (the pink haired viera) she came in never having posted before on that thread, gave her opinion then closed with “you elitists” and wrote half a paragraph strawmanning. None of us said anything to her beforehand and she chose to open with vitriol, so we defend our points as we have many times (some people being excessively snarky about it I admit) then you come in and say we are all just vitriolic and we ant an echo chamber

Why aren’t you calling her out on opening with vitriol for near no reason but then painting someone like me who just likes to debate as vitriolic because I will push back and actually pick your arguments apart (and have mine picked apart in return)

I won't go in that thread, its full of negativity and even if I did call her out you guys would have jumped on me for some reason or another, I have completely written that thread off as a bait thread and I am not interested in it, I would advise all other people to avoid it aswell but I am not their representative and I don't speak for them nor do they speak for me.

[sindriiisgaming]

Have you ever stopped to consider that negativity is on both sides here and “your” side isn’t completely blameless

Take the last poster that got the strike thread going (the pink haired viera) she came in never having posted before on that thread, gave her opinion then closed with “you elitists” and wrote half a paragraph strawmanning. None of us said anything to her beforehand and she chose to open with vitriol, so we defend our points as we have many times (some people being excessively snarky about it I admit) then you come in and say we are all just vitriolic and we ant an echo chamber

Why aren’t you calling her out on opening with vitriol for near no reason but then painting someone like me who just likes to debate as vitriolic because I will push back and actually pick your arguments apart (and have mine picked apart in return)



I would reply that you can look at my post history to see I do argue against tank homogenisation but then you’d just say “I was speaking generally stop thinking yourself so important that I was talking to you directly”

You cannot argue against homogenization yet demand another dps spamming job that ignores the entire point of its self. The job will not change in the way you want. Sage is the closest thing we have and I dislike sage for that exact reason. What allures me to sch is "consequence" that should I waste my charges on dps I will suffer later for it. But that I can use my skill in the fight to better make those decisions. Sadly i think dt has ruined it but I haven't played it yet.