Here's why I will not support this healer strike.

[Sadebreth]

"It needs to be looked at." lol when

Yes... if you can solo a dungeon boss, ANY dungeon boss, at level then yes it needs to be looked at. It is 2 classes out of 21. I would say that is pretty decent.

[gllt]

Why do I need to look good for anyone or accept being told that something isn't for me anymore? I'm very well aware I'm not who Square wants to take money from and it's also why I think unsubbing as protest is barely useful as well. I'm doing it over the eye strain the game causes me now but that's because it's a waste of money to play a game I can't enjoy and I think accessibility is an even bigger issue than boring gameplay design.

I'm not interested in being respectable to protect the comfort of people who are happy with how things are and I'm not interested in being told to go play other roles, jobs, or games that I already play. It is not the job of a protestor to protect the feelings of people who accept the status quo. I'm sorry your vibes get ruined by reading online forums. Maybe you should take a break from them too?

Healers are expected to DPS in this game and so I'm asking for more interesting DPS options. Healers have been given so much room to DPS under common conditions that do occur that I would like it to be more fun and interesting. That's it. That doesn't change other jobs. It does not have to alter the skill floor or ceiling, actually. You can make changes that make people fed up with healing happy and also change absolutely nothing for the rest of the playerbase.

[Sadebreth]

Why do I need to look good for anyone or accept being told that something isn't for me anymore? I'm very well aware I'm not who Square wants to take money from and it's also why I think unsubbing as protest is barely useful as well. I'm doing it over the eye strain the game causes me now but that's because it's a waste of money to play a game I can't enjoy and I think accessibility is an even bigger issue than boring gameplay design.

I'm not interested in being respectable to protect the comfort of people who are happy with how things are and I'm not interested in being told to go play other roles, jobs, or games that I already play. It is not the job of a protestor to protect the feelings of people who accept the status quo. I'm sorry your vibes get ruined by reading online forums. Maybe you should take a break from them too?

Healers are expected to DPS in this game and so I'm asking for more interesting DPS options. Healers have been given so much room to DPS under common conditions that do occur that I would like it to be more fun and interesting. That's it. That doesn't change other jobs. It does not have to alter the skill floor or ceiling, actually. You can make changes that make people fed up with healing happy and also change absolutely nothing for the rest of the playerbase.

Now you are just looking for a fight. I am done here. Have fun in whatever you do.

P.S. Healers have never been EXPECTED to dps except by toxic players that have come from other games. My daughter has gotten that also from some people recently trying to tell her how to play her class. Block them and move on. You are letting the toxicity get to you unless you are one of those toxic players, at which point, FIND ANOTHER GAME!!.

[Kathryn]

I'm not interested in being respectable to protect the comfort of people who are happy with how things are

And this is one of the reasons why your movements is suffering pushback from players, you have all (not all but most of you) been extremely rude and disrespectful and you only want an echo chamber of negativity, which you have achieved because you jump on every person who doesnt support you in you 500 page thread and other threads, you all multi quote and pick peoples opinions apart to try and support your own narrative, please keep your negativity and hate to that thread because you are trolling at the moment and I will block/report all of you that carry on spreading misery.

Point #1 is exactly what the strike is about, thank you for your support.

I, personally, am going for point #2 and my sub has already lapsed and will remain so until I see actual action taken to improve the gameplay loop of healers.

Please don't put words into my mouth, I do not support your strike, I find it extremely childish and immature if im honest, Im glad to hear you have actually done something smart, you are a credit to your movement in that regard, but lingering in a forum of a game you actively dislike is not healthy for your mentality, I wish you all the best when you are unable to post anymore.

[Supersnow845]

And this is one of the reasons why your movements is suffering pushback from players, you have all (not all but most of you) been extremely rude and disrespectful and you only want an echo chamber of negativity, which you have achieved because you jump on every person who doesnt support you in you 500 page thread and other threads, you all multi quote and pick peoples opinions apart to try and support your own narrative, please keep your negativity and hate to that thread because you are trolling at the moment and I will block/report all of you that carry on spreading misery.



Please don't put words into my mouth, I do not support your strike, I find it extremely childish and immature if im honest, Im glad to hear you have actually done something smart, you are a credit to your movement in that regard, but lingering in a forum of a game you actively dislike is not healthy for your mentality, I wish you all the best when you are unable to post anymore.

Have you ever stopped to consider that negativity is on both sides here and “your” side isn’t completely blameless

Take the last poster that got the strike thread going (the pink haired viera) she came in never having posted before on that thread, gave her opinion then closed with “you elitists” and wrote half a paragraph strawmanning. None of us said anything to her beforehand and she chose to open with vitriol, so we defend our points as we have many times (some people being excessively snarky about it I admit) then you come in and say we are all just vitriolic and we ant an echo chamber

Why aren’t you calling her out on opening with vitriol for near no reason but then painting someone like me who just likes to debate as vitriolic because I will push back and actually pick your arguments apart (and have mine picked apart in return)

If you look on my profile past what you see right now you'll see I have 3 jobs as my preferred class. Reaper. Gnb. And sch. Now. I haven't touched dt sch yet but it is a job I adore and love. I've healed savage and numerous ex with it so I have experience in stressful situation. This has made me appreciate the importance of the simple dps rotation it has. That you can easily worry about what is your actual job. Without having to stress over a dps rotation. Something I can't say is true for gunbreaker. Yet I don't see any of you crying over the tank homogenization? When confronted with arguments that don't fit your agenda. All you have left is to insult me and call me stupid. Your strike will fizzle out and se will entirely ignore It. Its time to play another job

I would reply that you can look at my post history to see I do argue against tank homogenisation but then you’d just say “I was speaking generally stop thinking yourself so important that I was talking to you directly”

[Kathryn]

Have you ever stopped to consider that negativity is on both sides here and “your” side isn’t completely blameless

Take the last poster that got the strike thread going (the pink haired viera) she came in never having posted before on that thread, gave her opinion then closed with “you elitists” and wrote half a paragraph strawmanning. None of us said anything to her beforehand and she chose to open with vitriol, so we defend our points as we have many times (some people being excessively snarky about it I admit) then you come in and say we are all just vitriolic and we ant an echo chamber

Why aren’t you calling her out on opening with vitriol for near no reason but then painting someone like me who just likes to debate as vitriolic because I will push back and actually pick your arguments apart (and have mine picked apart in return)

I won't go in that thread, its full of negativity and even if I did call her out you guys would have jumped on me for some reason or another, I have completely written that thread off as a bait thread and I am not interested in it, I would advise all other people to avoid it aswell but I am not their representative and I don't speak for them nor do they speak for me.

[Supersnow845]

I won't go in that thread, its full of negativity and even if I did call her out you guys would have jumped on me for some reason or another, I have completely written that thread off as trollbait and I am not interested in it, I would advise all other people to avoid it aswell but I am not their representative and I don't speak for them nor do they speak for me.

I mean whether you go into that thread or not is irrelevant to my question

She opened with vitriol for zero reason, she isn’t the only one. Why are “they” allowed to be vitriolic but the strikers are all evil vitriolic trolls who want everyone else to suffer

You can’t really be holier than thou when you have a clear bias, both sides are being vitriolic but you are certainly only calling out one side, and if you called out “your” side and people still jumped on you that’s on them, you certainly haven’t really painted yourself in a favourable light but I mean it’s also not on me to judge; I haven’t been vitriolic I simply debate with people, is that so much to ask of the “other” side

You cannot argue against homogenization yet demand another dps spamming job that ignores the entire point of its self. The job will not change in the way you want. Sage is the closest thing we have and I dislike sage for that exact reason. What allures me to sch is "consequence" that should I waste my charges on dps I will suffer later for it. But that I can use my skill in the fight to better make those decisions. Sadly i think dt has ruined it but I haven't played it yet.

I 100% agree with you on what draws you to SCH because that’s exactly what draws me to SCH. My problem with your point so to speak is that saying “another DPS job that ignores the entire point of itself” is exactly what all 4 healers already are and they do it in exactly the same way (1 nuke 1 dot, 1-2 flavour abilities. The healers physically cannot be homogenised further on that point, SGE and SCH are also ridiculously similar on the healing side as well.

I agree that if all healers were turned into the same flavour of DPS it would be homogenisation, but my belief is they are already there so what’s the difference in trying

[sindriiisgaming]

Have you ever stopped to consider that negativity is on both sides here and “your” side isn’t completely blameless

Take the last poster that got the strike thread going (the pink haired viera) she came in never having posted before on that thread, gave her opinion then closed with “you elitists” and wrote half a paragraph strawmanning. None of us said anything to her beforehand and she chose to open with vitriol, so we defend our points as we have many times (some people being excessively snarky about it I admit) then you come in and say we are all just vitriolic and we ant an echo chamber

Why aren’t you calling her out on opening with vitriol for near no reason but then painting someone like me who just likes to debate as vitriolic because I will push back and actually pick your arguments apart (and have mine picked apart in return)



I would reply that you can look at my post history to see I do argue against tank homogenisation but then you’d just say “I was speaking generally stop thinking yourself so important that I was talking to you directly”

You cannot argue against homogenization yet demand another dps spamming job that ignores the entire point of its self. The job will not change in the way you want. Sage is the closest thing we have and I dislike sage for that exact reason. What allures me to sch is "consequence" that should I waste my charges on dps I will suffer later for it. But that I can use my skill in the fight to better make those decisions. Sadly i think dt has ruined it but I haven't played it yet.

[Supersnow845]

The conclusion I drew from my own analysis was proposing a solution that give everyone rez items to create redundancy for healer, which is currently the only role without a redundancy. Redundancy is key because otherwise healer has the greatest risk of being blamed for single point of failure.

The other conclusion drawn from people in the strike thread was that terrible healers should be kicked and that comment was immediately deleted by mods. There has been a lot of snark to similar effect of "skill issue." It doesn't help the strike advocates that the conclusions drawn from this group do not seem to consider SEs legitimate concerns about player retention and appealing to the silent majority.

People who have benefit of raid statics and general lack of exposure to the vagaries of duty finder, and general low tolerance for perceived poor gameplay, are a vocal minority but SE corporate knows better and you can't be surprised that SE has not really catered to you because this is a business and the market has spoken. If you want change its not arguing skill issue, it's understanding what SEs bottom line is and finding a solution that also keeps in mind the silent majority.

You had 6 seperate people tell you that our issue is with the ceiling of healers and not the floor and your answer to that was “until you can GUARANTEE the floor won’t drop if the ceiling goes up it’s a dead proposal”

What’s the point of coming onto this thread and lying that you were attacked when people can just go into the other thread and read that people didn’t respond the way you are saying they did here

[Auteur]

You had 6 seperate people tell you that our issue is with the ceiling of healers and not the floor and your answer to that was “until you can GUARANTEE the floor won’t drop if the ceiling goes up it’s a dead proposal”

What’s the point of coming onto this thread and lying that you were attacked when people can just go into the other thread and read that people didn’t respond the way you are saying they did here

There is literally a deleted comment in the middle of page 598 since one of the pro strikes concluded terrible healers should be kicked from raids after advocating for healers increasing stakes. My response was this is not persuasive at all and definitely won't convince SE.