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  1. #1
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    Here's why I will not support this healer strike.

    While I do not agree or disagree with the opinions of others who want change to come with healers, I stand by my opinion that this strike was not created in good faith. I believe it was created as a disgusted response to a video done by streamers that play on a level above the general player base.

    Had this strike been created in good faith, it would of started long before this video existed or even better, further into this new expansion so people can give accurate feedback about the state of healers. As it stands people are bandwagoing the strike because of a video of something that has already been possible in game for a long time. If you have good enough players you can complete a dungeon without any specific role. This was possible for a very long time.

    While the intentions of others getting behind the strike may be good, they should be aware of how it came to be and see that their message is supporting an "offended" response to a video more than it's helping healers in any way. One can also say if you are striking before you've even played healer this expansion, you have even less useful feedback to provide in order to enact change. You just can't form a valid opinion based on secondhand information. You are in fact hurting your own cause and looking foolish, and sincerely don't want that.

    So I will not be supporting this strike. I'll play the game and form my own opinion based on first hand experience and I suggest everyone serious about change to do the same if they want to be taken seriously. If you already have valid feedback, putting it in the same cart as the strike is likely to hurt it and have it dismissed.

    My concern is simply any positive and useful feedback being lost in a sea of complaints. If I'm wrong, well I'm just one voice and things will carry on as usual. I just don't believe this is the way to get the message across. A castle built on a crumbling foundation is likely to collapse under it's own weight.
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    Ifalna Sha'yoko
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    Here is why I won't support the strike:

    I don't give a fork about childish community whining.

    Besides, not as if we're much needed atm. Most people do their story stuff with trusts anyway (me as well) because it's just way more relaxed.
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Thanks for creating your own thread. We were all waiting in suspense for your thoughts, and wouldn't want your 2nd post ever to be lost in the 600 page thread about this topic.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    “If this strike had been done in good faith”

    Conveniently ignores the 10,000 pages of “good faith” feedback offered in the healer subforum for the last 6 years that we have believed in good faith would be considered by the devs

    I don’t give a single flying f……. About xeno, I’m sick of the feedback we are offering being completely ignored and not even mentioned by the devs. I don’t need 6 months of playing DT to realise a 700 potency oGCD after chain isn’t changing the design of my job, if you think that you are just operating in bad faith

    So yeah don’t support the strike if you don’t want to, but at least have some actual valid points to back it up
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Noah Orih
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    Me: "This cake is horrible! It's way undercooked in the middle and the frosting's all grainy."

    Baker: "Say no more." *Puts a cherry on top*

    Me: "Yeah, the cake is still terrible."

    Everyone and their mother: "How would you know!? You haven't even tried it with the cherry yet!?"
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    There's a healer strike going on? What it is like 100 people or something?

    I've been getting constant bonuses for tanking and my queues are instant or near instant. So I don't think it's working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Here is why I won't support the strike:

    I don't give a fork about childish community whining.

    Besides, not as if we're much needed atm. Most people do their story stuff with trusts anyway (me as well) because it's just way more relaxed.
    I can understand for not support a strike, but then again, what's the alternative to get CS3 to acknowledge the job and content design issue that FFXIV is currently facing?

    Continue to be complacent and willingness to settle for mediocrity is definitely not helping as well.

    So... do you have any better idea to voice it other than a strike?
    Mind you, CS3 have been ignored healer's feedback for years since SHB is launched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Conveniently ignores the 10,000 pages of “good faith” feedback offered in the healer subforum for the last 6 years that we have believed in good faith would be considered by the devs
    *Assumes that the devs have not considered the feedback offered in the healer subforum, and ignores the very real possibility that it was considered, but determined to be detrimental to the game as a whole to implement based on the much larger amount of feedback the dev team has compared to us* There, I think I got that right. "They didn't do what I want, therefore they must have never even thought about me" is a shortsighted take.

    Me: "This cake is horrible! It's way undercooked in the middle and the frosting's all grainy."
    Other People: "This cake is delicious! It's not undercooked at all, but rather the way I like it, and the frosting is smooth and tasty."

    Me: "You must have bad taste buds. Wait, why is that baker ignoring me?"

    I can understand for not support a strike, but then again, what's the alternative to get CS3 to acknowledge the job and content design issue that FFXIV is currently facing?

    Continue to be complacent and willingness to settle for mediocrity is definitely not helping as well.
    Yet another example of mistaking personal opinion for objective fact. You are assuming there is a design issue, and just belittling and insulting anyone who has a different opinion than you. What you consider "mediocrity" could be "very well-designed" for someone else, and the design you want is what others could just as easily consider mediocre.

    (Note: When a bunch of people complain about something, but offer wildly different and completely contradictory reasons for their complaints, sometimes the only "issue" that's left is the simple reality that no matter what you do, you'll never be able to please everybody when working with a group as large as our playerbase. In such a scenario, there really is no feasible "issue" to fix.)
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    Last edited by Striker44; 07-01-2024 at 01:57 PM. Reason: Added last quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    *Assumes that the devs have not considered the feedback offered in the healer subforum, and ignores the very real possibility that it was considered, but determined to be detrimental to the game as a whole to implement based on the much larger amount of feedback the dev team has compared to us* There, I think I got that right. "They didn't do what I want, therefore they must have never even thought about me" is a shortsighted take.



    Other People: "This cake is delicious! It's not undercooked at all, but rather the way I like it, and the frosting is smooth and tasty."

    Me: "You must have bad taste buds. Wait, why is that baker ignoring me?"
    Striker you have still yet to present this “overwhelming amount of contrary feedback” as anything but a fancy in your head that you ardently believe square is following for zero reason when we have clear evidence of them making unpopular changes in the past

    I even gave you data on this in the other forum post

    AND AND AND if our feedback is so unpopular as you say then use those community managers that are supposed to be here to come and tell us that
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    *Assumes that the devs have not considered the feedback offered in the healer subforum, and ignores the very real possibility that it was considered, but determined to be detrimental to the game as a whole to implement based on the much larger amount of feedback the dev team has compared to us* There, I think I got that right. "They didn't do what I want, therefore they must have never even thought about me" is a shortsighted take.



    Other People: "This cake is delicious! It's not undercooked at all, but rather the way I like it, and the frosting is smooth and tasty."

    Me: "You must have bad taste buds. Wait, why is that baker ignoring me?"
    If the devs have read the feedback and just decided not to go with any of it, then they should SAY SO. Letting people just scream into the void is a bad move. Is YoshiP just went and said "We saw this feedback, here's why we think the current design is for the best: <reasons>" Then that would at least be SOMETHING
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