[SAM] I hate the change to Tsubame-gaeshi

[Quor]

Im just not sure the flexibility makes up for all the potency nerfs.

Anyone that is good with the numbers able to convince me?

I remember seeing a reddit post where someone compared average potency over two minutes and basically it's a buff by ~70 potency or so, under a "normal" expected rotation. Which is to say no optimizations utilizing the new tech.

edit: here's the post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tency_changes/

Apparently it's closer to a loss of ~380 potency or something, due to the SAM filler rotation now being 10 GCD's instead of 9, essentially meaning you lose a rotation every 10 rotations.

[KoS_Jooken]

The change is overall a positive, however the potency reductions seem to be a bit too much. On the other hand, I wanted to bring to attention some things being said on the JP side which have higher than average likes:

- Burst DPS is watered down even further and the damage is spread towards our basic rotation, with some comments saying they will put down their sword (quitting the job).
- A call for Higanbana's removal because they find managing it too much with the changes to Tsubame Gaeshi.
- Some calls to remove Tsubame Gaeshi if they are going to stick to their previous decisions (Kaiten), as people feel its the same "problem" as before reintroduced and are confused as to where the direction of the job is going at this point.
- Complaints and confusion about the frequency of Tsubame Gaeshi (Similar to above, citing redundancy) and are asking for it to be adjusted, not removed (Putting a cooldown on it).
- A handful of requests wanting Tendo separated from Meikyo Shisui.
- "Busyness" is now too much because of Tsubame Gaeshi (Similar to Kaiten's) and some don't like the amount of buttons they have to push during burst.
- A desire for the animation of Tsubame Gaeshi to differ from regular Iaijutsu

Feel like we're going to lose more, again at this rate. History repeats itself with Viper's current situation, Kaiten wasn't the first and Noxious Gnash wasn't the last. Seen a lot of comparisons with some people being hypocrites with Kaiten "not being as big of a deal" while others correctly cite that losing parts of their kit for random reasons feels like garbage.

[Ramiee]

God JP players want every job to auto pilot don't they.

[Wyssahtyn]

The change is overall a positive, however the potency reductions seem to be a bit too much. On the other hand, I wanted to bring to attention some things being said on the JP side which have higher than average likes:

- Burst DPS is watered down even further and the damage is spread towards our basic rotation, with some comments saying they will put down their sword (quitting the job).
- A call for Higanbana's removal because they find managing it too much with the changes to Tsubame Gaeshi.
- Some calls to remove Tsubame Gaeshi if they are going to stick to their previous decisions (Kaiten), as people feel its the same "problem" as before reintroduced and are confused as to where the direction of the job is going at this point.
- Complaints and confusion about the frequency of Tsubame Gaeshi (Similar to above, citing redundancy) and are asking for it to be adjusted, not removed (Putting a cooldown on it).
- A handful of requests wanting Tendo separated from Meikyo Shisui.
- "Busyness" is now too much because of Tsubame Gaeshi (Similar to Kaiten's) and some don't like the amount of buttons they have to push during burst.
- A desire for the animation of Tsubame Gaeshi to differ from regular Iaijutsu

Feel like we're going to lose more, again at this rate. History repeats itself with Viper's current situation, Kaiten wasn't the first and Noxious Gnash wasn't the last. Seen a lot of comparisons with some people being hypocrites with Kaiten "not being as big of a deal" while others correctly cite that losing parts of their kit for random reasons feels like garbage.

- A call for Higanbana's removal because they find managing it too much with the changes to Tsubame Gaeshi.

lolwat

[HikariKurosawa]

Surprise, people dont like dots

[Ramiee]

Surprise, people dont like dots

Btw since you were raging at the changes for DRG and you said you like BLM changes are you gonna start maining that yet or was that all a massive larp

[HikariKurosawa]

Btw since you were raging at the changes for DRG and you said you like BLM changes are you gonna start maining that yet or was that all a massive larp

Who are you? I never said anything bad about the dragoon changes. You must be stalking too many different people if you get them mixed up.

Also, try not to quote posts if you're not going to discuss the content of the posts. It's weird and creepy. Don't be a creepy weirdo.

[Ramiee]

Who are you? I never said anything bad about the dragoon changes. You must be stalking too many different people if you get them mixed up.

Also, try not to quote posts if you're not going to discuss the content of the posts. It's weird and creepy. Don't be a creepy weirdo.

Is that a no or a yes to the larp question?

[nguyentri11]

The only thing I agree with is for the animation of Tsubame Gaeshi to differ from the regular Iaijutsu. What I like about Ogi Namikiri into Kaeshi: Namikiri is that they have different motions for the swings so it feels like a combo aesthetically. I think it would be neat for Iaijutsu into Tsubame Gaeshi even if they don't need to be used back to back.

[Quor]

The change is overall a positive, however the potency reductions seem to be a bit too much. On the other hand, I wanted to bring to attention some things being said on the JP side which have higher than average likes:

- Burst DPS is watered down even further and the damage is spread towards our basic rotation, with some comments saying they will put down their sword (quitting the job).
- A call for Higanbana's removal because they find managing it too much with the changes to Tsubame Gaeshi.
- Some calls to remove Tsubame Gaeshi if they are going to stick to their previous decisions (Kaiten), as people feel its the same "problem" as before reintroduced and are confused as to where the direction of the job is going at this point.
- Complaints and confusion about the frequency of Tsubame Gaeshi (Similar to above, citing redundancy) and are asking for it to be adjusted, not removed (Putting a cooldown on it).
- A handful of requests wanting Tendo separated from Meikyo Shisui.
- "Busyness" is now too much because of Tsubame Gaeshi (Similar to Kaiten's) and some don't like the amount of buttons they have to push during burst.
- A desire for the animation of Tsubame Gaeshi to differ from regular Iaijutsu

Feel like we're going to lose more, again at this rate. History repeats itself with Viper's current situation, Kaiten wasn't the first and Noxious Gnash wasn't the last. Seen a lot of comparisons with some people being hypocrites with Kaiten "not being as big of a deal" while others correctly cite that losing parts of their kit for random reasons feels like garbage.

That's a major whiskey tango foxtrot from me. To be fair, I get the Kaiten/Tsubame comparison being said there, but the "busyness" of Tsubame makes no sense. It's a GCD. An instant GCD at that. How can another GCD add "busyness" to a rotation? That makes no sense. GCD's, by their definition, cannot add "busyness" because they're on the GCD. Busyness comes from additional oGCD's being crammed into a burst window.

I really can't imagine how anyone thinks Tsubame adds "busyness" to the rotation. If anything it frees things up, since you can bank the Tsubame GCD for a little while and fire off a quick instant with additional range to it during a disconnect, making such situations far less stressful. I half-ass wonder if this isn't a mistranslation of some sort (not blaming you KoS, just wondering out loud).