Movement abilities with damage just feels bad.

[GrizzlyTank]

GAAAAH Spelling mistake in title. Movement abilities without damage just feels bad.

Plunge, Shoulder tackle and probably some more both got replaced with abilities that had their damage element removed...

And quite frankly it sucks, since now you removed one of the major elements that made using those feel satisfying. Great, you click the button and warp to the enemy. But no more do you get that great accompanying damaging sound as it connects, nor do you get to see any numbers appear on the screen.

It's now just a button that goes "you stand there now". And as someone who stuck with DRK partially due to the existence of Plunge, it's just sad to no longer yeet yourself on an enemy, ramming them with your sword. The first tank gap-closer, removed. (meanwhile paladin got to keep theirs with the damage element because?!?)

And all this because min-maxers weaved them into the rotation?

[EliaStormblade]

I disagree. Tagging damage into movement abilities just makes them soulless weave fodder rather than "movement and utility."

The loss of the associated animations, however, is sad. Plunge is far more of a unique animation that people loved, and Spineshatter Dive fits Dragoon (jumping job btw) far more than a generic dash.

[Raikai]

Min maxers? I thought that using them properly as damaging tools were common for anybody seriously doing High End content, not just min maxers.

And that's exactly why I hate ogcd movement tools with damage components because it completely defeats the utility aspect of it. Chances when you actually need to move, for an unexpected reason, you won't have it available.

[Toukichiful]

I disagree. Tagging damage into movement abilities just makes them soulless weave fodder rather than "movement and utility."

The loss of the associated animations, however, is sad. Plunge is far more of a unique animation that people loved, and Spineshatter Dive fits Dragoon (jumping job btw) far more than a generic dash.

Agree the thing is them being movement skills with utility is just useless if they just become fodder weave skills, because you can replace them with any skill with damage and it would be the same so what's the point of them being movement skills. I use onslaught for damage only never to actually be used as useful movement and it just feels bad weaving movement skills for damage and not even using them for movement.

[GrizzlyTank]

It's min-maxing the damage itself was largely negligible, least square could have added a min range making it so that you couldn't use it in melee.

[Immut]

GAAAAH Spelling mistake in title. Movement abilities without damage just feels bad.

Plunge, Shoulder tackle and probably some more both got replaced with abilities that had their damage element removed...

And quite frankly it sucks, since now you removed one of the major elements that made using those feel satisfying. Great, you click the button and warp to the enemy. But no more do you get that great accompanying damaging sound as it connects, nor do you get to see any numbers appear on the screen.

It's now just a button that goes "you stand there now". And as someone who stuck with DRK partially due to the existence of Plunge, it's just sad to no longer yeet yourself on an enemy, ramming them with your sword. The first tank gap-closer, removed. (meanwhile paladin got to keep theirs with the damage element because?!?)

And all this because min-maxers weaved them into the rotation?

Try playing monk or black mage. Or viper, I guess. Being able to teleport to a party member to avoid an AOE and greed a mechanic as much as possible is great. An infinite improvement over shoulder tackle. In general the game needs fewer damage dealing abilities and more actual utility ("increase damage by 5%" is not utility).

Agree the thing is them being movement skills with utility is just useless if they just become fodder weave skills, because you can replace them with any skill with damage and it would be the same so what's the point of them being movement skills. I use onslaught for damage only never to actually be used as useful movement and it just feels bad weaving movement skills for damage and not even using them for movement.

Well, since warrior no longer has any sort of self-damage buff, unless you're highly coordinated and saving all 3 stacks for the 2 minute meta burst, you can use one for damage and keep the other two for movement as long as you don't overcap.

[WeakestZenosEnjoyer]

The tank gap closer changes are completely backwards, the tank all about cramming damage oGCDs into burst lost a damage oGCD and the tank all about brainless Fell Cleaving keeps its damage.

Nobody was playing Warrior because "oh boy I sure love fitting oGCDs into my burst and carefully considering when to use my abilities."

Dragoon also needs to jump, that's literally their whole thing, it's not a monk with a spear.

[GrizzlyTank]

Try playing monk or black mage. Or viper, I guess. Being able to teleport to a party member to avoid an AOE and greed a mechanic as much as possible is great. An infinite improvement over shoulder tackle. In general the game needs fewer damage dealing abilities and more actual utility ("increase damage by 5%" is not utility).



Well, since warrior no longer has any sort of self-damage buff, unless you're highly coordinated and saving all 3 stacks for the 2 minute meta burst, you can use one for damage and keep the other two for movement as long as you don't overcap.

I did play monk, yet funny enough. The removal of shoulder tackle was one of the reasons i stopped, because it's replacement simply lacked the same satisfying feel to it.

From a tackle to a whiff in the wind.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I did play monk, yet funny enough. The removal of shoulder tackle was one of the reasons i stopped, because it's replacement simply lacked the same satisfying feel to it.

From a tackle to a whiff in the wind.

And yet, your forum job is dnc, a job that never had damage on its movement.


Also, I disagree on the mnk change. It's so satisfying being able to jump around to party members or bosses depending on the situation

[Asako]

And yet, your forum job is dnc, a job that never had damage on its movement.

You are aware people play more than one job in this game right?