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    The Last Straw

    Hello,

    Many of you have seen me around the forums for a while now. I have persevered through many expansions, and there were so many things that I was looking forward to in Dawntrail, but at this time, I cannot get myself to play it. I gave Viper a try, but I was immediately put off by its gameplay and couldn't get myself invested. At this time, there is no job in all of FFXIV that I have any interest in playing other than PVP Sage. Unfortunately, I cannot take PVP Sage into PVE, so I have no way of progressing the new MSQ. I'm stuck and cannot find a way forward.

    Eukrasian Dyskrasia, as of the launch of Dawntrail, does not stack with Eukrasian Dosis DOTs. It was already the most insignificant improvement that could possibly be made to Sage to address the job's failed identity of being a "DPS Healer," and for some reason we aren't allowed to have even that. Fun is not allowed in FFXIV as I've come to learn, and unfortunately, I play games to have fun. At this time, I have unsubscribed to FFXIV and will await better changes for Sage to reflect the intended identity of the job. Here is my brief feedback that will get me to return to FFXIV:
    • Make Eukrasian Dyskrasia stackable with Eukrasian Dosis DOTS.
    • Fix Addersting. Toxikon feels barely functional at all and is a massively disappointing gauge resource, unlike PVP Toxikon and Toxikon II
    • Reduce the cooldowns of Phlegma and Psyche by 50%
    • Adjust the potency of Dosis spells to compensate for these changes

    I would really love to enjoy the content and story in Dawntrail. I want to see Solution 9. I want to try Archadion. I want to play the upcoming field operations. But until the above changes, or changes similar to these that help Sage fulfill the job fantasy it was given at the start of Endwalker, I cannot find any enjoyment in playing the game.

    To all of you who I have met, spoken with, and got to enjoy many conversations with, thank you so much for helping make my journey to this point a more enjoyable one, and to help me realize that I'm not alone. It has been a long, enduring run, but I've been defeated. I do not feel valued as a player. I do not feel that my play style is respected by the designers or the community. I do not feel that I am wanted in this game. There are promises of more job identity in 8.0, but we are in 7.0. I cannot keep fighting the good fight.

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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Thank you. Finally, someone doing the right thing and trying to hit Square where it actually hurts them.
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    Power to you. The healers are in such a god awful state right now, it’s like someone is at SE actively forcing them to make all healers as boring and uninteresting as possible.

    I don’t even like AST but for them to look at AST, the healer whose entire identity is card divinity, and smack it on a huge cooldown is just insanity to me. The balance of the healers is also completely screwed, some shield healers can burst heal like crazy others can’t, some pure healers can shield like crazy others can’t. What a freaking mess.
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    It breaks my heart to think about what this role could have been, not even in the DPS department. They absolutely slaughtered AST's divining mechanic with two budget Aetherflows. The saddest part is that we're seeing this level of dumbing down with DPS, too, but of course when we dare speak up we're immediately shut down compared to when Tank or DPS players complain about their roles; it's that mentality that got us into this mess. People said "go play ultimate" to us and now they're panicking that the Netflixification outbreak is spreading into their role. We're losing BLM, for god's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    There's still Ninja I guess (if the new changes didn't lobotomize it too?) if you are lucky enough that its playstyle speaks to you. Doesn't for me, and between DRG getting glorified WAR rotation treatment and BLM getting... What ever the fuck is going on with BLM, I'm not sure where to go from here.
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    I'll be joining you.

    I've been a healer main since Burning Crusade in WoW and swapped to XIV in early Stormblood. I just cancelled my sub and will take a month to go do something else before looking for another MMO to play. Maybe I'll look into WoW's new expansion later in the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaelommiss View Post
    I'll be joining you.

    I've been a healer main since Burning Crusade in WoW and swapped to XIV in early Stormblood. I just cancelled my sub and will take a month to go do something else before looking for another MMO to play. Maybe I'll look into WoW's new expansion later in the summer.
    Maybe check out GW2 I found a scrapper healer in it one of the most fun healers I've ever played in an mmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    There's still Ninja I guess (if the new changes didn't lobotomize it too?) if you are lucky enough that its playstyle speaks to you. Doesn't for me, and between DRG getting glorified WAR rotation treatment and BLM getting... What ever the fuck is going on with BLM, I'm not sure where to go from here.
    Since Shadowbringers, I've mainly stuck to Dancer, and while I don't dislike Dancer at all, it's missing certain key aspects of gameplay, and I feel burnt out from it. I'm not burnt out from the game, just I want to kind of move onto something different. Red Mage is something I'd consider, but it has the same issue. At the end of the day, I still want to heal. I parade myself as someone who enjoys "Green DPS" but that's because I want both attacking and healing to be a part of my gameplay. I don't care about my damage output as long as its balanced with everything else. I just want to enjoy DPSing with a modest set of attacks while also keeping an eye on the party and switching to full healing if I need to.

    Like I said above, I want to play PVP Sage. In PVP, Sage's DoT has a much shorter duration, Phlegma has a much shorter cooldown, Toxikon is an OGCD attack I weave that makes my other spells stronger, and Pneuma is a powerful cooldown that also reduces incoming damage. I only really have 5 attacks, but because there's so much more frequency in my different attack spells, and that there's more interplay between them, that's what I think is enjoyable.

    My PVE Main is PVP Sage even if I'm not allowed to play it in PVE. And I do realize certain things don't translate well, but I think there are simple solutions to resolving that. I would literally pay any Mogstation price to have a version of Sage that copied everything on PVP Sage except Mesotes and Eukrasia with its cooldown charges, pasted it overtop the PVE actions, and adjusted the potencies appropriately.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Sad to see more of the old guard disappearing, but it's perfectly understandable. Have fun out there.
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    It's honestly best to put the game down until at least 7.1, there's 0 reason you should play this current garbage if you don't feel like it, the story and xpac will just feel like a slog.

    I still enjoy pvp and I'll be doing the story with my brother, but I'd be putting this game down for a long while if not for that. It stings so much to see the excellent ideas and gameplay they have for pvp, yet Yoshifraud -or whoever makes the pve calls- does what he does with pve gameplay.
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