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    Miracle_Diva's Avatar
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    Burning Winter
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    Sage Lv 100
    I don't know how true is this, but going just by feeling, I prefer to believe it and it's honestly just sad

    Also, I think they overused this way of entrance
    DT last trial spoilers
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    Lieri's Avatar
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    Valesti Nibelung
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I'm not familiar with this "woke" thing but yesterday I saw a character named Woke Lamat and it broke my laugh box.
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    Aniise's Avatar
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    Nhaama Kagon
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    Shiva
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    Scholar Lv 95
    Quote Originally Posted by Lieri View Post
    I'm not familiar with this "woke" thing but yesterday I saw a character named Woke Lamat and it broke my laugh box.
    There are so many funny names for her going around. On this forum alone I read a bunch. Wok Lmao is probably my favorite so far x)
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    Me too, Erenville, me too

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    Aurelion Faelbane
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90

    Holy crap

    Wow, there really is no such thing as pleasing people. Endwalker was a great end to the tale of the Warrior of Light, now we're back to being some adventurer and you know what. I LIKE Wuk Lamat, she's actually refreshing from the CONSTANT downers we've had the last couple of runs.
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    Alice Cottoncloud
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    Gunbreaker Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by GeissTheWild View Post
    Wow, there really is no such thing as pleasing people. Endwalker was a great end to the tale of the Warrior of Light, now we're back to being some adventurer and you know what. I LIKE Wuk Lamat, she's actually refreshing from the CONSTANT downers we've had the last couple of runs.
    I am happy for you
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    ReynTime's Avatar
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    Princess Walk
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GeissTheWild View Post
    Wow, there really is no such thing as pleasing people. Endwalker was a great end to the tale of the Warrior of Light, now we're back to being some adventurer and you know what. I LIKE Wuk Lamat, she's actually refreshing from the CONSTANT downers we've had the last couple of runs.
    Refreshing take?
    She's only the fifth or so naive idealist character in the main scenario. The difference is the other characters had to change their approaches to solve problems because the far more grounded writing of the the past expansions wasn't afraid to provide grave consequences for their naivety. Dawntrail bends realism to be a wholly idealistic story where Wuk Lamat doesn't need to change just for sake of repeating the "we can achieve anything if we work together for peace and happiness of all" message over and over, which isn't even new to XIV either. That's a theme that has existed since 2.0. Dawntrail is simply a lot more childish about the delivery of it and lacks subtext.
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    PaleYonder's Avatar
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    Lio Diateles
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    Phantom
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Adding on the mentoring topic: I enjoyed e.g. Heavensward with Alphinaud, where he'd fallen on his face and we were teaching him the ways of the real world (whereas for Wuk Lamat, the laws of the real world have been suspended), seeing him grow, but it was not the Alphinaud expansion. We were also trying to pull Estinien back from a metaphorical cliff and back on solid ground, and I was really invested in this. We were also helping Aymeric with his political goals against forces very much opposed to them. But we were all capable people in our own right who were helping each other through the struggles caused by a hostile world and bad decisions. It was great. And we were also still the hero and centre of the story. None of that applies here.
    And I'll be honest, I want to be the hero. I want my character to make the difference, to engage with friends and opponents both, for things to be his business. That's part of the fun of playing games.

    This case here is a perfect storm of everything done wrong that one can possibly do wrong. A character without the necessary depth to carry anything beyond saturday morning feelgood cartoons, a plot that hands her everything without meaningful development or struggle, the player character sidelined, the player character's established companions sidelined and without personality, including the ones that were supposed to get real focus this time - and I'm really enjoying Erenville and Krile here.

    In fact, the difference between Wuk and Erenville is a gaping gulf. The short wild west escape with Erenville being cool Western heroes was so much fun, and he shows actual personality and depth, and layers that unravel slowly. I enjoyed him a lot in Endwalker, and I feel like he's still himself, but showing more of himself, getting his own struggles, and he's actually my character's friend. We're bonding over struggles and doing things together and clearly enjoying travelling together. This is good, this is how you introduce a new companion to a group that's as long-established as the Scions without making him seem like an intruder. I'm around the end of zone 5 and I still want to spend more time with him instead of less, and think he's been robbed. Meanwhile I wish Wuk Lamat was just retconned out of everything right this second.

    I honestly don't know what I'm going to do about my subscription after this. I'm probably going to see this trainwreck to the bitter end once because the curiosity outweighs all else, unless something makes me give up in frustration on the last stretch after all. But then? I don't know. I actually enjoy what I've seen of the combat, but I'll be honest, that's not enough to carry the game for me; especially this one I've played for story and ambience above all until now. The ambience is still there, but the story is now a mess.
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    Last edited by PaleYonder; 07-04-2024 at 07:58 PM.

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    Fluxating's Avatar
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    Cali Oran
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    Odin
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by PaleYonder View Post
    I honestly don't know what I'm going to do about my subscription after this. I'm probably going to see this trainwreck to the bitter end once because the curiosity outweighs all else, unless something makes me give up in frustration on the last stretch after all. But then? I don't know. I actually enjoy what I've seen of the combat, but I'll be honest, that's not enough to carry the game for me; especially this one I've played for story and ambience above all until now. The ambience is still there, but the story is now a mess.
    Same. I starting skipping the story after the lv97 dungeon once Wuk stole the spotlight from what should of been Erenville and Krile's part of the story, reinserting herself as the main character. While the story isn't the main reason I play XIV, it is still a large reason and I no longer have any faith in it. Wuk Lamat is a awful character, but without her the story would still be terrible. When you write for something, it has to go through various editors and approval processes and everyone in charge of that felt this was a good story worth putting out? If they're happy to release story content this bad, how can I expect they won't drop the ball again with the patches or even the next expansion?
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    Lucie Bonney
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    Shiva
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Can we please use Alexander to turn back time and help meteion with her stuff? Just to evade everything and anything related to Dawntrail.
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    Inuro Enderas
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyndina View Post
    Can we please use Alexander to turn back time and help meteion with her stuff? Just to evade everything and anything related to Dawntrail.
    The sky dome suddenly begins splintering and you watch Zenos smash his way into the world yet again. "Was Dawntrail a gift...or a burden? Did you find... fulfillment? I come again to issue challenge and offer singular bliss. ... Oh you're still busy babysitting this thing? Let me take care of that real quick. Okay now we can fight again, you kill me, and then hopefully next expansion I don't need to repeat this."
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