Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Daralii]

Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

[Carin-Eri]

It's definitely is because it comes out of absolutely nowhere and it's not really earned or needed.

Wuk is expelled before the fight even begins effortlessly...and then is just perfectly fine to jump right back in when the exact moment she can arises? Where were G'raha and Krile then? Conveniently sent "somewhere else?" Did she eat them off-screen so they wouldn't ruin her triumph over Sphene? Not only that, she suddenly comes into the fight with enough strength to both stun Queen Eternal and completely overpower her? Guess Wuk is a natural at harnessing Dynamis. Also additional fun fact: If you literally sit there for 5-10 minutes and do nothing except keep yourself alive with healing, Wuk CAN solo the rest of the fight because her giant LB always does 50% of Queen Eternals current HP and then she does small chip damage every few seconds.

And yes: I said HER triumph over Sphene. If you remember the dialogue: Wuk is telling Sphene to face HER, not US. On top of that: we can only stand back up after the second Absolute Authority because Wuk's determination is giving us the strength to do so. Once again, Wuk is a natural at utilizing Dynamis it seems. They literally put the "victory lap" trigger at the 30% HP Mark just to absolutely make sure Wuk got her moment of triumph against her big antagonist.

This entire sequence was not needed in the first place and was pretty much forced upon everyone because it is Wuk Lamat's expansion, and the writers have dictated that nothing can be accomplished without Wuk Lamat there in someway.

Totally agree.

I said in an earlier post that I didn't take much issue with Wuk Lamat taking the credit with regard to the Zooral Ja fight; she knew him pretty much all her life and certainly knew him - as a person - far better than the Warrior of Light could have. I was therefore able to view that as 'her' fight.

However, no such logic can be applied to the Queen Eternal fight. If defeating Zooral Ja was Wuk Lamat's fight, then defeating Queen Eternal should've been the Warrior of Light's fight. But the story clearly (and inexplicably) couldn't tolerate that.

In a meta sense, it was very poor writing - it started so well, but they killed the momentum to give Wuk Lamat ANOTHER "big hero" moment. It felt like they were going for another "Light the Way", or Emet saving the WoL from Elidibus, moment but really didn't understand why it worked in those two instances.

[TaleraRistain]

Oh believe me, if you press a msq-defender on this, I'm sure they will find a way how that makes totally sense and that YOU just dOn't UnDeRsTaNd!

Or they are smart enough to not even attempt to defend this but that's me giving them too much credit.

It's usually along the lines of "You can't stand not being the main character".

[Lydia77]

I remind you that they left all the scions behind for this to happen. Despite them being veterans and outstanding fighters, expirienced in reflections stuff and interdimentional threats. Because... door closing? (which never happened) I dont even know why Raha was let in.
We gather them all for an epic moment like Avengers only for them to stand there idly while Wuk is being perfect in everything.
And THEN we put all their moments that were promoted in a trailer to CREDITS SCENE!!! Devs might as well spat in my face. And i actually feel like they did.
Ive got an amazing med plot on the shore of Mists decorated like a beach resort, but i am not going to resub for it. First of all - screw them! They dont get any money from me before 7.1 where i wait for full 180 on wrighting and stuff. And second - i go through hell to pay 20$ a month because of IRL politics. And this game currently does not worth this effort.

[Daralii]

I remind you that they left all the scions behind for this to happen. Despite them being veterans and outstanding fighters, expirienced in reflections stuff and interdimentional threats. Because... door closing? (which never happened) I dont even know why Raha was let in.
We gather them all for an epic moment like Avengers only for them to stand there idly while Wuk is being perfect in everything.
And THEN we put all their moments that were promoted in a trailer to CREDITS SCENE!!! Devs might as well spat in my face. And i actually feel like they did.
Ive got an amazing med plot on the shore of Mists decorated like a beach resort, but i am not going to resub for it. First of all - screw them! They dont get any money from me before 7.1 where i wait for full 180 on wrighting and stuff. And second - i go through hell to pay 20$ a month because of IRL politics. And this game currently does not worth this effort.

G'raha could have acted as a foil for Sphene since he was also the leader of one of the last bastions of civilization on a shard that was on the brink, but obviously went down a very different path. It'd make more sense than her foil being a freshly appointed co-leader of a near-utopia.

[sylphlands]

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

This is what baffles me the most about DT's defenders. DT needs the audience to have poor literacy for the story even to work. The moment you pull at a single thread, the whole thing unravels. It's bizarre that actual critiques of the story, of which there are an endless amount, get accused of being a product of "low attention span" as if the writing doesn't beat you over the head with the same point again and again juuust in case you forgot anything from two lines earlier.

The writers seemed to assume we're all stupid and would either not notice or intentionally ignore blatant plot holes, poor dialogue, and zero solid character arcs. There were so many points I felt outright scorn from this team - I looked at my partner at one point and was like, "Do they hate us for playing this game?"

[CuteBucket]

If you try to press them on any point surrounding the stupid/nonsensical writing they tend to just accuse you of media illiteracy.

This one is so infuriating because the vast majority of the critiques of this game have gone into great detail about what parts failed and why, you can read any of the story focused threads here to see a lot of great analysis, and yet the Twitter defenders will just go "yOU jUst hAtE noT bEInG thE ceNteR oF aTtEnsIOn!!"

NO!

I liked the idea of being a mentor! Too bad we never did that! All we had to do was tell Wuk Lamat that she was always perfect just the way she is and then she had the confidence and ability to do literally anything she wanted! That's not mentoring!

lmao "media literacy" arguments from Twitter, the website where basic reading comprehension goes to die.

[Allegor]

I liked the idea of being a mentor! Too bad we never did that! All we had to do was tell Wuk Lamat that she was always perfect just the way she is and then she had the confidence and ability to do literally anything she wanted! That's not mentoring!

I felt more like a mentor to Vath Deftarm than I did to Wuk. We were more like her bodyguards, if anything, and we couldn't get even that right (the kidnapping quest still annoys me more than it should). So what are we if neither mentors nor bodyguards? .....cheerleaders. We were merely cheerleaders.

[Aneshda]

To answer unanswered question: The source of the problem is that the writers are absolute talentless amateurs and need to be replaced asap.

Every other question has been done and debated ad nauseam.
Everyone who thinks "Dawntrail and Wuk Lamat is the bestest thing EVARRR" is huffing lethal amounts of copium because they don't wanna admit that their favourite game/second home etc shat their pants.

And now these people pretend that their A-student just "accidentaly" sat on "chocolate cake", despite proof that there was no cake at the school-cafeteria on that day and that EVERYONE CAN SMELL IT.

If you just gobble up this mess of a product, don't be suprised when this game goes down in flames in a few years, which WILL happen with the current writers.
Mark my words.

Rofl you made my Day. I nearly choked on my Chips.

[ValusArmaros]

Wuk Lamat is the real villain of Final Fantasy 14. She poisoned my potion supply, stole my story moment, burned my raid food, made Lyse look like a Disney sidekick in being a blackhole mary sue attention hog, and delivered the black rose plague upon our FC houses. Grynewaht would’ve unironically been a better lead character than how she turned out. Zenos committed atrocity after atrocity to have a WrestleMania rematch with us, Emet-Selch wanted to erase what he believed was our Kmart-grade existence, and Meteion was the embodiment of every doomer meme. Wuk Lamat is the only one who has made people fall out of love with FFXIV with her character writing and the expansion's writing.

In absolute seriousness though it’s a legitimate tragedy to see the result of this decline from the end of Endwalker. To see a lot of people drift away from the title if not completely lose faith in it after Dawntrail failed to live up to what was promised to await us. It’s one thing to hate something in its totality and in sincerity, but it’s another thing to watch yourself and others fall out of love with something that you’ve treasured and cherished close to your heart, and that is what Dawntrail unfortunately was for FFXIV. And Dawntrail IS Wuk Lamat.