Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Oizen]

Going to be honest, all the Yoshida damage control articles we've been getting lately is more than I expected as a response, even if his respones are laughably out of touch

[Daralii]

Going to be honest, all the Yoshida damage control articles we've been getting lately is more than I expected as a response, even if his respones are laughably out of touch

I find his pivot from "We have a rough draft of the next 10 years of story" to "We were throwing random shit out to see what people liked" interesting. Either one could be a lie or both could be lies.

[Regis_Paran]

I find his pivot from "We have a rough draft of the next 10 years of story" to "We were throwing random shit out to see what people liked" interesting. Either one could be a lie or both could be lies.

They may have had that draft. But then DT went live and, well...

[Hallarem]

well live letter is coming at the end of this month

let see if the team has anything to say, i doubt anything will happen but i still want to believe

I'll be surprised if the live letter contains anything adressing things, and isn't the normal "soo desu nee, hai hai, next slide picture of a housing item / glam"

[ZXN]

I find his pivot from "We have a rough draft of the next 10 years of story" to "We were throwing random shit out to see what people liked" interesting. Either one could be a lie or both could be lies.

They probably do have a general "rough draft" of what they want. When Endwalker released if I recall they said they were already working on the general idea of 7.0 and even 8.0, so they most likely have another rough draft of what they want the story to be heading for 8.0 with the post-past MSQ.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if that rough draft is now being given a real hard look at given how some people hated the story they gave with 7.0. I am assuming at this point that 7.1 is pretty much completely done and getting the polish treatment, and 7.2 is probably also well on it's own way to being finished and they are no doubt beginning to do stuff for 7.3, so I don't think we'll see any significant changes to the story until at least patch 7.3 since if I recall correctly the voice lines are done about 6-9+ months or so ahead of time.

Continuing with the Voice actor talk: there is also the whole SAG-AFTRA video game strike that Sena said she was taking part in on Twitter, so that might also throw a potential wrench into development too depending on how serious she is about it. If Sena has a contract through the 7.X series, and since Sony/Square are apparently not on the list of strike targets so she CAN keeping working, then we'll probably see Wuk during said post-patch. But if she decides to take it very seriously and just not voice act at all period: what then? If Sena recorded Wuk until patch 7.2 or 7.3 for example, do they just write the character out after the patch is done? Do they change the voice actress midway? If Sena hasn't done ANY voice acting for post-patch, is Wuk just going to be shelved immediately, potentially screwing over the German/French/Japanese VA's who are essentially being told "Because the English VA won't voice Wuk and we don't want a replacement voice actress, you're all not needed anymore" and given the boot? There are a lot of factors to consider heading into 7.1 and the rest of the patches.

All of it comes down to if they actually were serious about listening to all the players' feedback and criticisms and changing things around based on it.

[AnimaAnimus]

well live letter is coming at the end of this month

let see if the team has anything to say, i doubt anything will happen but i still want to believe

If he says anything at all it will be in his corperate approved PR speak which just comes off as condescending at this point. It would be much better if they looked at the main points of criticism, took a moment to think about it and then addressed us in a less formal way. It's easy to see the main points of criticism if you take a few minutes to read what ppl are saying. Daichi Hiroi needs to take the L too.

Speaking of, has Hiroi or Kate responded to the criticism at all? We hear a lot about Sena and her online bahavior, but what about Horoi and Kate? They are way more to blame than anyone for DT.

[Astronis]

They may have had that draft. But then DT went live and, well...

I don't see a lot of people hating the parts of the Dawntrail story that would legitimately lead to years worth of story content. Some of the plot hooks Dawntrail left out for a potentially very long-ranging story seem to have been received well enough--that is, the inter-shard travel and the question of Azem's involvement (the name "Dawntrail" itself and all the solar imagery in the WoL's skills and peppered around the place are hinting at an entirely different 'sun' we're walking towards than the Dawnservant!). There is scaffolding being laid down for some seriously interesting adventures that don't have anything built on them yet, and I haven't seen a lot of hate pointed that way.

More like, Wuk Lamat and how she has been received have just absolutely obscured the other, better things they can build out of Dawntrail, which is understandable and unfortunate. We'll see!

[TaleraRistain]

Continuing with the Voice actor talk: there is also the whole SAG-AFTRA video game strike that Sena said she was taking part in on Twitter, so that might also throw a potential wrench into development too depending on how serious she is about it. If Sena has a contract through the 7.X series, and since Sony/Square are apparently not on the list of strike targets so she CAN keeping working, then we'll probably see Wuk during said post-patch. But if she decides to take it very seriously and just not voice act at all period: what then? If Sena recorded Wuk until patch 7.2 or 7.3 for example, do they just write the character out after the patch is done? Do they change the voice actress midway? If Sena hasn't done ANY voice acting for post-patch, is Wuk just going to be shelved immediately, potentially screwing over the German/French/Japanese VA's who are essentially being told "Because the English VA won't voice Wuk and we don't want a replacement voice actress, you're all not needed anymore" and given the boot? There are a lot of factors to consider heading into 7.1 and the rest of the patches.

If she's not fulfilling her side of the contract, could they possibly dissolve the relationship because she's not holding up her end? That could allow them to find a new VA.

[Daralii]

They probably do have a general "rough draft" of what they want. When Endwalker released if I recall they said they were already working on the general idea of 7.0 and even 8.0, so they most likely have another rough draft of what they want the story to be heading for 8.0 with the post-past MSQ.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if that rough draft is now being given a real hard look at given how some people hated the story they gave with 7.0. I am assuming at this point that 7.1 is pretty much completely done and getting the polish treatment, and 7.2 is probably also well on it's own way to being finished and they are no doubt beginning to do stuff for 7.3, so I don't think we'll see any significant changes to the story until at least patch 7.3 since if I recall correctly the voice lines are done about 6-9+ months or so ahead of time.

All of it comes down to if they actually were serious about listening to all the players' feedback and criticisms and changing things around based on it.

I've seen some crackpot-y ideas about her having a pivotal role in the story going forward because her real name is a very clumsy translation of "seventh dawn" into Mayan, but I haven't been able to verify that. If that was the case, they'd probably need to significantly alter or scrap huge parts of whatever framework they have.

[Raven2014]

I don't see a lot of people hating the parts of the Dawntrail story that would legitimately lead to years worth of story content. Some of the plot hooks Dawntrail left out for a potentially very long-ranging story seem to have been received well enough--that is, the inter-shard travel and the question of Azem's involvement (the name "Dawntrail" itself and all the solar imagery in the WoL's skills and peppered around the place are hinting at an entirely different 'sun' we're walking towards than the Dawnservant!). There is scaffolding being laid down for some seriously interesting adventures that don't have anything built on them yet, and I haven't seen a lot of hate pointed that way.

The thing is even if they had planned for multiple episodic contents, they are still responsible for making each individual episode interesting. We didn't have to wait 10 years to get EndWalker, SB was a bit of a drag but HW and ShB were phenomenon in its own right. This is especially true if you look at HW which is very self-contained. The core of HW didn't need much leading into it, and once it's done there isn't much else scaffold from it.

Far more than what it is or what it tries to be, the problem with DT is simply the quality just isn't there.

- It doesn't matter if it's supposed to be a relaxing story.
- It doesn't matter if it's supposed to be a an epic story.
- It doesn't matter if it's supposed to be a foundation for the future.
- It doesn't matter if it's supposed to be a self-contained story.

The writing of DT fails at basic 101 level. I dare say if this same team were given the task of writing EndWalker, I seriously doubt it would turn out anywhere as good.