Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[CNitsah]

We got more cultural exposure in the Azim Steppe than all of Tural.

This. It always makes me laugh when people try to paint dawntrail as the worldbuilding expansion. Worldbuilding is so poor in DT, and what's given to us is so weak. I'm supposed to believe the moblins that have been doing their thing for 80 years don't know you should not put people near the fire, and don't know which food they like. It just doesn't work. This is just an example but I could do that for the whole first part. The second part has a slightly better world building, but it also has plotholes and people conveniently ignoring obvious hints to force a situation.

[Allegor]

This. It always makes me laugh when people try to paint dawntrail as the worldbuilding expansion. Worldbuilding is so poor in DT, and what's given to us is so weak. I'm supposed to believe the moblins that have been doing their thing for 80 years don't know you should not put people near the fire, and don't know which food they like. It just doesn't work. This is just an example but I could do that for the whole first part. The second part has a slightly better world building, but it also has plotholes and people conveniently ignoring obvious hints to force a situation.

Like how the Hanuhanu genuinely didn't know the meaning of their festival or their boat being an aether conduit despite holding the festivity every year? Yes, they grew complacent and the boat wasn't maintained, that's info we're given to why their fields became stagnant, but here's the counterargument to that: there are people like Wuk Evu or the town leader (did she have a name?) who are fully aware what the problem is but stay silent for literally no reason, and besides, just how young are most of the Hanuhanu to not even know (not remember, know) the magic boat flares them up like a pokemon about to evolve to scatter the aether into the fields? are they all children or...?

To add insult to injury, in one of the aether current quests they do collectively play ignorant/antagonistic to teach the new guy a lesson about respect, tradition, etc. It's like both quests were written by entirely different people.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Like how the Hanuhanu genuinely didn't know the meaning of their festival or their boat being an aether conduit despite holding the festivity every year? Yes, they grew complacent and the boat wasn't maintained, that's info we're given to why their fields became stagnant, but here's the counterargument to that: there are people like Wuk Evu or the town leader (did she have a name?) who are fully aware what the problem is but stay silent for literally no reason, and besides, just how young are most of the Hanuhanu to not even know (not remember, know) the magic boat flares them up like a pokemon about to evolve to scatter the aether into the fields? are they all children or...?

To add insult to injury, in one of the aether current quests they do collectively play ignorant/antagonistic to teach the new guy a lesson about respect, tradition, etc. It's like both quests were written by entirely different people.

Don't know which country you're from, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the origin and meaning of every festivities in your culture, except maybe if you're from the USA, or another country which have only 300yo traditions at best... and even then, you still probably don't know most of what happened during the events you're celebrating. It's also pretty hard to believe your political leader/your top scientists aren't aware of some issues in your country you don't know about, because you knowing would not help in any way, and would only thin the trust you have in them.

Same for the Moblins really. It took more than 80 years to go from the first factories to decent work conditions.

That's just a case of "I really must find a reason to dislike that thing", and here's the thing : you don't have to have a reason. Just hate it because you don't like it. It's alright.

[CNitsah]

Don't know which country you're from, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the origin and meaning of every festivities in your culture, except maybe if you're from the USA, or another country which have only 300yo traditions at best... and even then, you still probably don't know most of what happened during the events you're celebrating. It's also pretty hard to believe your political leader/your top scientists aren't aware of some issues in your country you don't know about, because you knowing would not help in any way, and would only thin the trust you have in them.

Same for the Moblins really. It took more than 80 years to go from the first factories to decent work conditions.

That's just a case of "I really must find a reason to dislike that thing", and here's the thing : you don't have to have a reason. Just hate it because you don't like it. It's alright.

It's believable that people forgot the meaning, sure. What is not is that there is someone that knows it in the village and didn't even try to tell them when they are in a crisis.

For the more than 80 years for good work condition, it's ignoring the fact that in real world, good work condition were never a goal of the owners of the means of production. Productivity and money were. Here they tell you this is a win/win situation, but show you a highly disfunctional one.

This is just a case of "I really must find a reason to defend the thing a like" and here's the thing: you don't have reason. You just love it because you like it. It's alright.

[ReynTime]

Don't know which country you're from, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the origin and meaning of every festivities in your culture, except maybe if you're from the USA, or another country which have only 300yo traditions at best... and even then, you still probably don't know most of what happened during the events you're celebrating. It's also pretty hard to believe your political leader/your top scientists aren't aware of some issues in your country you don't know about, because you knowing would not help in any way, and would only thin the trust you have in them.

Same for the Moblins really. It took more than 80 years to go from the first factories to decent work conditions.

That's just a case of "I really must find a reason to dislike that thing", and here's the thing : you don't have to have a reason. Just hate it because you don't like it. It's alright.

I don't know about where YOU live in, but the people in charge of organizing do know the origins of their traditions, since that's typically taught in the process of becoming in charge of them.

[TaleraRistain]

Don't know which country you're from, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the origin and meaning of every festivities in your culture, except maybe if you're from the USA, or another country which have only 300yo traditions at best

Nice dig at the US there. Just because we're a younger country doesn't mean we don't hold our traditions in high esteem. I'm from the Midwest and when we have "festivals" for things here, part of what is explained during it is how the tradition started and why we do it. So it's definitely something I find odd even though you think that's impossible because our traditions are "only 300yo" or so.

[Raven2014]

Don't know which country you're from, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the origin and meaning of every festivities in your culture, except maybe if you're from the USA, or another country which have only 300yo traditions at best... and even then, you still probably don't know most of what happened during the events you're celebrating. It's also pretty hard to believe your political leader/your top scientists aren't aware of some issues in your country you don't know about, because you knowing would not help in any way, and would only thin the trust you have in them.

Uh I don't know where you're from, but I'm pretty sure I know the meaning and original of all the festival where I grew up. It's not hard because for one, they're hold every year and for two, every festival would have speakers talk about its history. Now sure, if there is a small/obscured festival from a far away corner than I probably don't know about it ... but the main national wide or locally to where I live? Yeah I would know them. This is like saying an American don't know what July 4th is, or someone from the middle east don't understand what Ramadan for. In fact, seeing how Reek is pretty much integrated into every facet of their culture, this festival is literally their life blood make it even more unbelievable.

That's exactly why it feels hamfist. We know what the intend of the story, but they chose a very ... unbeilevable way to delivery it. This is not the only instance this happening either. The Mamook Ja story has this exact same problem. They presented a very seriously problem, yet the solution was laughably simple to the point of inconsistent. Like other had noted it feels like not the same person writing the quest. The original problems is on a scale you expected for an MSQ, but the resolution feels like it's meant for a random side quest.

[DeadlyAlbatross]

I have just finished playing and honestly I have to agree that everything bad - or so much of it, at least - is centered around Wuk Lamat, while everything good - or at least much of it - is centered around Krile.

People have mentioned Sphene being Emet-selch-light, and I agree and understand where they are coming from, except Emet was far more tragic and alive and charismatic.

Sphene is Daneel Olivaw in microcosm, at best, and a rehash of ShB antagonist at worst.

Having said that, I do think that Lamat aside, things have been mishandled to an extreme degree with Erenville and his mother. And there are other very childish elements in a story that's supposed to be pretty adult, but the only people who behave like adults are Thancred and Urianger and they sorta melt into the scenery after a single decent encounter.

This is one of those times I sorta wish I took the twins with me and forgot WL ever existed.

But sure, it's easy to find fault with WL, because WL is mishandled in pretty much the same manner.

I'm not sure even that it's the writers and not the producers who should be called out about this, honestly - this isn't a case of a failed message, this is a case of consistent dramatic underdelivery and couldn't have happened (probably) if a single writer was at fault.

[Midare]

Don't know which country you're from, but I'm pretty sure you don't know the origin and meaning of every festivities in your culture, except maybe if you're from the USA, or another country which have only 300yo traditions at best... and even then, you still probably don't know most of what happened during the events you're celebrating. It's also pretty hard to believe your political leader/your top scientists aren't aware of some issues in your country you don't know about, because you knowing would not help in any way, and would only thin the trust you have in them.

Same for the Moblins really. It took more than 80 years to go from the first factories to decent work conditions.

That's just a case of "I really must find a reason to dislike that thing", and here's the thing : you don't have to have a reason. Just hate it because you don't like it. It's alright.

Just because you don't know the customs of your country doesn't mean everyone else does and doesn't mean that a fictional people who are already shown to be deeply spiritual don't know them... or at least that they should know them considering their building dedicated to their deity, but conveniently don't know for the sake of the plot.

This is probably the weakest attempt at defending the abysmal writing in DT really.

[OgruMogru]

To add insult to injury, in one of the aether current quests they do collectively play ignorant/antagonistic to teach the new guy a lesson about respect, tradition, etc. It's like both quests were written by entirely different people.

I felt like I was going insane when I went back and did this quest. Either written by a different person, copied homework, or it was originally part of the MSQ and would have given some context to why the Hanuhanu are playing dumb but then got carved into sidequest content. Actually all of those aethercurrent questlines in all areas do a better job of world building and story telling than the msq -_-