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  1. #2401
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    Remember_The_Name's Avatar
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    Caroline Frost
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    if this is any previous expansion, that scene usually 100% dead, granted i havent finished the main story yet so maybe he got some important role later, but i just cant think that this expansion it really felt got "disneyfy" a lot
    And what's funny is that they could've cleared this mess of a cutscene with one additional shot. Pan the camera down over Ketenramm's body, then swap the frame on his hand and show it twitch or curl a little, showing that the life is still present. BAM, he is clearly still alive, but something evil is afoot. And now his sudden appearance in Gulool Ja Ja assassination cutscene is no more confusing.

    With that problem cleared, here is another question for you all (maybe it was asked already, but the thread getting kinda big):

    Why such seasoned seafarer, explorer and pioneer was keeping ALL SEVEN KEYSTONES in his house under his pillow, ripe for the taking by any determined thief? Maybe I am paranoic, but if I was entrusted the keys to the room with a super mysterious and potentially very dangerous artifact, I would have hidden them in separate places all over the zone. That makes anyone wanting to claim them either search a needle in the haystack or try to interrogate the keeper.

    Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

    Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.
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    Last edited by Remember_The_Name; 08-07-2024 at 08:26 AM.

  2. #2402
    Player Karious's Avatar
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    Rukoko Ruko
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    So who the hell were the other dragons that flew in with Vrtra to help defend the city? He doesn't have any dragon brood of his own.
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  3. #2403
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    Ribald Hagane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karious View Post
    So who the hell were the other dragons that flew in with Vrtra to help defend the city? He doesn't have any dragon brood of his own.
    I always assume any of the first brood have a fly of their own even if we don't see them, and there is his sister's brood as well.

    I doubt any of the first brood is a virgin over ten thousands of years.
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  4. #2404
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name View Post
    And what's funny is that they could've cleared this mess of a cutscene with one additional shot. Pan the camera down over Ketenramm's body, then swap the frame on his hand and show it twitch or curl a little, showing that the life is still present. BAM, he is clearly still alive, but something evil is afoot. And now his sudden appearance in Gulool Ja Ja assassination cutscene is no more confusing.

    With that problem cleared, here is another question for you all (maybe it was asked already, but the thread getting kinda big):

    Why such seasoned seafarer, explorer and pioneer was keeping ALL SEVEN KEYSTONES in his house under his pillow, ripe for the taking by any determined thief? Maybe I am paranoic, but if I was entrusted the keys to the room with a super mysterious and potentially very dangerous artifact, I would have hidden them in separate places all over the zone. That makes anyone wanting to claim them either search a needle in the haystack or try to interrogate the keeper.

    Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

    Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.
    There is a saying that goes like that :if you want to hide a tree, hide it in a forest.
    Meaning : the more obvious place are often dismissed by thief.... Because "nah than can't be here, it would be foolish"
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    Last edited by Lorika; 08-07-2024 at 09:01 AM.

  5. #2405
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    Hisato Yoshida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name View Post
    ... -snip-

    Oh, and also, even with keystones stolen, this guy didn't raised any alarm. Like at all. The entire Wild West zone story has happened, and nobody got told anything. It would've made sense if Ketenramm was actually killed, but thanks to "dineyfication", he is apparently not while the player at that particular moment assumes that he is dead. So... with his sudden appearance in mentioned cutscene, the writing just falls apart.

    Think about it, if not for this guy massive blunder, the second arc wouldn't have started, lmao. I understand that writers wanted to push the narrative, but they did it in the most crude and lazy way. In line with majority of Dawntrail, sadly.
    The scene honestly just undermined any actual possible tension for the second half. Square once again couldn't pull the trigger by killing off a somewhat established character.

    As cheap a death as it would have been, it might, just MIGHT, have added some weight to Zoraal Ja's actions instead of his kill count being Soreel Ja, Goulul Ja Ja and...several npcs. This isn't to undermine his "evilness" but it certainly could have shown him as much more ruthless. (Also no one really knows that Soreel Ja was killed as far as the narrative is concerned.)
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  6. #2406
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinFreeman View Post
    Your thoughts are more on the money than you think. Especially when you get further. Let's just say, you're going to find out how Disney it really is. To the point of an actual reference.
    With all the "family friendly" treatment in this exoansion, iam surprised we didnt get singing cutscene

    I can imagine wuk lamat singing let it go or a whole new world in tuliyollal from her balcony "castle" lol
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  7. #2407
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    Y'noh Tia
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    Quote Originally Posted by gumas View Post
    With all the "family friendly" treatment in this exoansion, iam surprised we didnt get singing cutscene

    I can imagine wuk lamat singing let it go or a whole new world in tuliyollal from her balcony "castle" lol
    See the problem with the "family friendly" thing is... You have to get past all the definitely not family friendly stuff that came before it. Like the scene where that one Military Leader "Rubber Bulleted" himself just off screen, and we could see the end results on the wall and flag that were behind him.
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  8. #2408
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    I'm still fairly early in the MSQ and it's a bit boring...and I don't blame Wuk.....at this point
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  9. #2409
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alchemii View Post
    that one Military Leader "Rubber Bulleted" himself just off screen, and we could see the end results on the wall and flag that were behind him.
    Don't worry, he's OK. There's a scene of him with a massive bruise on his jaw later on.

    /s
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  10. #2410
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    I'm still fairly early in the MSQ and it's a bit boring...and I don't blame Wuk.....at this point
    it does not get better
    i am sorry
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