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  1. #1521
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    Xendros's Avatar
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    Jeawen Zendrosa
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by chizLemons View Post
    I was actually VERY uncomfortable a little before that when she asked her to hold her hand because she was scared...uh, what? Excuse me? No, go away. I don't even know you. You barely ever asked about me as a person anyway, and I'm supposed to believe we're that close?! For how much time we were forced to spend with her, I don't feel like we got close AT ALL.
    And then she also asks you to treat her like family? No, I refuse.



    I've been around aviation my entire life so I can empathize with people who are scared to fly. I deal with them constantly. Unfortunately, my real world experience clouded my judgement during that cutscene. I hated myself after the fact because I fell into the writer's trap and agreed to hold her hand.
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    Last edited by Xendros; 07-11-2024 at 10:34 PM.

  2. #1522
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    chizLemons's Avatar
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    Liz Ard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xendros View Post
    I've been around aviation my entire life so I can empathize with people who are scared to fly. I deal with them constantly. Unfortunately, my real world experience clouded my judgement during that cutscene. I hated myself after the fact because I fell into the writer's trap and agreed to hold her hand.
    Oh I can see how that scene could work from that perspective. You're very kind!
    It's not an experience I had first hand, so my main focus was "I don't even know you. The WoL barely has any physical touch with my close friends Scions, and yet I'm supposed to feel bad for you and hold YOUR hand?"
    And also...Erenville was right there. When you refuse and say "go ask Erenville" she is all "noo but he wouldn't understand!!!"...but aren't they supposed to be childhood friends? As much as Erenville acts like he doesn't care in the surface, we are only here BECAUSE he cares - it was him that introduced us to her, because he wanted to help her. Erenville doesn't even hear that anyway, so the scene ends there. Now that I'm thinking about it, I actually think the scene could've been a cute character moment if he was there, and then offered his hand to her!
    Also at this point I was just over her being scared and sick everytime we had to take any kind of transportation.

    I'm curious though, if you say yes, do you actually hold her hand in the cutscene?
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  3. #1523
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    Voidmage's Avatar
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    Hen'iel Jackel
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    Quote Originally Posted by chizLemons View Post
    I was actually VERY uncomfortable a little before that when she asked her to hold her hand because she was scared...uh, what? Excuse me? No, go away. I don't even know you. You barely ever asked about me as a person anyway, and I'm supposed to believe we're that close?! For how much time we were forced to spend with her, I don't feel like we got close AT ALL.
    And then she also asks you to treat her like family? No, I refuse.
    Yeah for me that and the whole stay with her and family (with the scions at least there was development and Haurchefaunt went out of his way to beg his father to take us in) was also kind of too personal to quickly.
    I don‘t mind the whole being close friends to family trope but there was no natural progress I felt. It seemed more forced as a kind of „look isn‘t she great? You are totally besties now forever and ever“.
    I know I‘m not the norm and most people probably didn‘t mind but… maybe it would have been better to do that stuff at the end of the expansion or after the patches.
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  4. #1524
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    Xendros's Avatar
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    Jeawen Zendrosa
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by chizLemons View Post
    Oh I can see how that scene could work from that perspective. You're very kind!
    It's not an experience I had first hand, so my main focus was "I don't even know you. The WoL barely has any physical touch with my close friends Scions, and yet I'm supposed to feel bad for you and hold YOUR hand?"
    And also...Erenville was right there. When you refuse and say "go ask Erenville" she is all "noo but he wouldn't understand!!!"...but aren't they supposed to be childhood friends? As much as Erenville acts like he doesn't care in the surface, we are only here BECAUSE he cares - it was him that introduced us to her, because he wanted to help her. Erenville doesn't even hear that anyway, so the scene ends there. Now that I'm thinking about it, I actually think the scene could've been a cute character moment if he was there, and then offered his hand to her!
    Also at this point I was just over her being scared and sick everytime we had to take any kind of transportation.

    I'm curious though, if you say yes, do you actually hold her hand in the cutscene?

    Nah, it just fades to black like normal.
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  5. #1525
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    Wuk Lamat as a character is a bit averagely written... Like a Lyse 2.0... Didn't hate or love the character, just a bit underwhelming. Same goes for the VA, she did a decent enough job, a bit lacking during heightened emotion scenes but still a bit endearing during regular scenes. 5/10 MSQ middle of the road, let's see where it goes... 3.6 Roentgen, not great, not terrible.
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  6. #1526
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Quote Originally Posted by RabendaShin View Post
    Basically Dawntrail
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    "I thought that my invincible power would hold the world captive, leaving me in a freedom undisturbed. Thus night and day I worked at the chain with huge fires and cruel hard strokes. When at last the work was done and the links were complete and unbreakable, I found that it held me in its grip." - Rabindranath Tagore

  7. #1527
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    Haley Comet
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    Cactuar
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    Bard Lv 100
    XIV has never had one NPC dominate screentime like this before and they decided the first one to do it should be Wuk Lamat? What were they thinking? Even if she had amazing writing and development it would have been too much.
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  8. #1528
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    Alenonimo's Avatar
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    Lilita Anklebiter
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 90
    The thing that makes me mad about Wuk Lamat is that she would have been a good character if she wasn't so overplayed. She's nice, wants to help everybody, not very different from your character in general. But the writting was so bad and so repetitive that it makes you get fed up with her.


    She talks about feelings all the time. She sounds like she's always trying to discuss relationship. She wants to be friends with everybody even when she shouldn't. It makes her stand out as a big Mary Sue that's always right and always demanding attention just to show how understanding she is. It's incredibly annoying.



    She should have more flaws and grow more as a character as the quest progress. She should hate more, even if it's to change her opinion later. She should play more on the dumb warrior stereotype that's good intentioned but then actually has to confront the plight of the people and grow up to be a ruler. But it's like someone was too afraid of making her suck, afraid that people wouldn't like her otherwise. How ironic.


    Also, the voice over is horrendous. Not just Wuk Lamat's, but she has more than twice voice lines than everyone else so it's pretty obvious on her. It's very, very, very, very hard to just sit there and listen her mumble, especially when she's meant to be screaming or shouting. I may permanently switch to japanese voices just so I can get some energy in the voice delivery. Which is sad, the voice actors are competent. With some better voice direction, I don't think people would hate the expansion so much.



    I feel really depressed knowing that they will never fix this. They will never rewrite the character and replace the voiceovers for the characters in this expansion. It's bad forever. Gameplay is nice, music is great, but it's a Final Fantasy so bad story really kills the mood.
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  9. #1529
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    Barachim Vandal
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    Phoenix
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alenonimo View Post
    She should have more flaws and grow more as a character as the quest progress. She should hate more, even if it's to change her opinion later. She should play more on the dumb warrior stereotype that's good intentioned but then actually has to confront the plight of the people and grow up to be a ruler. But it's like someone was too afraid of making her suck, afraid that people wouldn't like her otherwise. How ironic.
    I would have preferred her as more of a wild child, who gets out often. She is well meaning, but also ignorant to other people's ways, but it's part of her journey. She shouldn't act completely surprised each time she sees something new, like it's her first time. I really didn't like the approach of the sheltered Warrior princess.

    She should have also been a more capable warrior, so her sudden powers ups don't come out of knowhere. But she should have been more of an offensive fighter who really doesn't think things through, while Zoraal Ja is the more tactical mind. And eventually she learns to fight smarter, not harder. Like Zoraal Ja, when he ended the fight againt Bakool Ja Ja with a kidney shot. Now if they had shown in a cutscene how she eventually disarms him and goes after his weak points, then I could accept the win against Bakool Ja Ja. But she essentially just powers through, has enough energy to take on his goons and after everything is done, doesn't show a single sign of exhaustion.
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  10. #1530
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aurumis View Post
    They did dirty Arenvald, so why not do Wuk Lamat dirty? I would love for them to kill her off screen.
    Arenvald was one of the best NPCs poor guy.
    Man, I would laugh if they did a JJK 236 to Wuk Lamat and

    7.1 MSQ starts with Wuk Lamat's funeral or something, and it's revealed that Wuk actually died in a single hit while trying to fight Sphene and the very last bits of the trial and MSQ was just a fever dream before she died


    We just cut back to the trial and our character is looking at Wuk Lamat dumbfounded at what just happened
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    Last edited by Dogempire; 07-12-2024 at 02:52 AM.

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