Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Darnuss]

My first post in the forums, since the FFXIV Reddit is like a toxic wasteland since you cannot said a anything that resemble a critique about the game, I haven't finished the MSQ yet, but so far the story has been really weak in the sense of how nonsensical the characters interact? Like I know how the anime trope goes in the tournament arc, the warrior that everyone likes (who is not the real villain btw) (Zoraal), the smart one (Koana), the "bad guy" (Bakool) who would have some redemption and the underdog (Wuk Lamat).

And so far, Lamat has been the most plain protagonist so far and the whole Rite of Succession doesn't make sense? And what i mean by this is how the characters interact? For example we know that everyone loves Zoraal for being a mighty warrior, but during the Alpaca """challenge""" Zoraal just intimidate the npc so he skips the """challenge""" and the goes to get the golden alpaca, meanwhile Lamat spend time talking with the npcs and whatnot which it would be a nice plot point just to show that even Lamat lacks of the "military expertise" that her brother has, she connects with the people and thats what matters for a leader? But no

Same thing happens with Koana, we are told at the begining that Koana embrace the progress and yadda yadda but when you go and the crop thing with the vanu vanu and Lamat goes and do the ritual to heal the crops, Koana does the same thing with Alchemy I kinda lost it, mostly because Alphinaud suddenly knows what Koana did but 5 min before didn't know wtf is happening and he doesn't even bring the "aether" flow, hello? Krile? Baldesion studies? Nobody knew until Koana did his thing, and secondly Koana tells Lamat that "She needs to embrace the progress" and i was expecting her go "But brother we need to keep our traditions and no rely much on foreigner stuff" you know? Stuff like that, but NO! She goes "Duh, sugoi nii-chan" and everything is solved.

And i know i'm not even half done, but man the scenario so far is really lackluster

[Voidmage]

Are we reading the same thread? People continuously complain that the WoL isn't front and center. And people hilariously complaint that wuk lamat have "everything handed to her" by the writers when it was also how the wol was always written. People are basically complaining that wuk lamat is a mary sue when the wol themselves always was an even bigger one. The hypocrisy is hilarious and also a bit sad.

People complain that we are invisible not that we are not centerstage.
We are just the cameraman for Wuk Lamat.
People bring up Stormblood all the time as an example were we still had something to do.
Our personal beef with Zenos for example.

This is an mmorpg. The player character should have important scenes for themself.
There is no hypocrisy. There are people telling why they are dissapointed in different threads.
I advice you to read the japanese forum. They say the same thing as the players here.

[Reimmi]

Wuk Lamat is as awesome character. Learns from her failures and she's got a cute personality! Love me some Wuk Lamat!!

yea bro she got kidnapped that one time and uh, got spit on by a llama
totally enough "learning from failure" for her to be to solo bakool jaja

[Reimmi]

My absolute favorite moment was post credits roll.

I was so beyond relieved to finally be done with the worst story I've played in any game in recent memory (not just XIV).

Our character retires to their inn room and I was SO HAPPY that we were looking at a map of the world. My mind raced as to where we would go next, what we would see . . . leaving behind this land as if it was a bad dream . . .

Then there's a knock at the door.

HEY! IT'S WUK LAMAT. HEY! REMEMBER WUK! REMEMBER HOW YOU CAN NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BE RID OF HER!? WELL HERE SHE IS!

I seriously thought it would have been someone else . . . anyone else but her . . . but there she was.

Honestly if we ended her then and there and just leave it woulda made this story a 20 out of 10 but alas she lives to ruin more stories in the future.

i pray patch content has us fly away to mercydia or something and wuk lamat gets chained to a post, to stay behind for once

[Reimmi]

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that the entire reason why...

Koana was made into Dawnservant alongside WL, despite the fact he's better at the job and actually fills the role when Tural needs him unlike WL

...is because he'll be holding down the fort while WL stays glued to our hip until...whenever the writers finally sideline her.

I might start skipping cutscenes for the first time if this happens unironically

[fulminating]

… and it is not handwaved away by "Well, it's the PC in a MMO, they CAN'T die", which is a very convenient thing to forget when discussing this.

It would go down like a sack of bricks, but there is a way the PC could be killed and it not really matter. We have done the Zenos bodyhopping thing in the last expansion, so it should be possible to be killed and just “yeah nah” it off. I don’t trust them to do it well or not overuse it if it does work, but it might be interesting. If there is a cloning facility in solution 9, that would be a possible place to get a guilt-free replacement body too.

[Mnemy]

People complain that we are invisible not that we are not centerstage.
We are just the cameraman for Wuk Lamat.
People bring up Stormblood all the time as an example were we still had something to do.
Our personal beef with Zenos for example.

This is an mmorpg. The player character should have important scenes for themself.
There is no hypocrisy. There are people telling why they are dissapointed in different threads.
I advice you to read the japanese forum. They say the same thing as the players here.

THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING! I just wanted my WoL to be a part of the story! To atleast have an importance in it! In HW and StB im fine with Alphi+Estinien and Lyse to be the MC because we are still a part of the story! We're still in the narrative and we have importance! In DT if I replace my WoL with a mannequin it wouldnt matter because our WoLs are literal fly on the wall in DT. The scions didnt have any character dev, our wol didnt, ONLY WUK LAMAT GETS THE SCREEN AND SHE DIDNT EVEN GROW WITH ALL THE SCREENTIME SHE GOT. What a waste.

[Voidmage]

The more I read the Japanese forum on the story the more hopeful I am that Square changes course.

Almost all post are criticism regarding Wuk Lamat overshadowing anything (there are some funny anecdotes as well like comparing her to your boss‘s daughter you have to babysits on your summer vacation).
Of course there are also a few stupid takes like disliking Wuk Lamat because of her appearance.

All those posts have liked in the 80s or more. Those who are positive are at around 7.

It’s really interesting how the different languages are more or less of the same mind. Story itself not bad to very good but many saying that she was too overbearing as a character.

The Japanese thread is also far bigger and fills faster then in the past.

[Mecia]

Ahh, quality time with Erenville now that the succession is over. Im actually smiling and excited.

Surely nothing will go wrong.

[chizLemons]

The more I read the Japanese forum on the story the more hopeful I am that Square changes course.

Almost all post are criticism regarding Wuk Lamat overshadowing anything (there are some funny anecdotes as well like comparing her to your boss‘s daughter you have to babysits on your summer vacation).
Of course there are also a few stupid takes like disliking Wuk Lamat because of her appearance.

All those posts have liked in the 80s or more. Those who are positive are at around 7.

It’s really interesting how the different languages are more or less of the same mind. Story itself not bad to very good but many saying that she was too overbearing as a character.

The Japanese thread is also far bigger and fills faster then in the past.

But the story IS also very bad. Wuk Lamat is a big issue, everything said here is also true and I'm glad to hear the JP forums share the same opinion on her because there's more chance they will do something about it, but honestly, for me the best put criticism and the one that nailed it better was THIS THREAD, if you haven't seen it yet. It explains WHY Wuk Lamat feels like a problem, as well as everyone else, and during the whole thread people also point out other problems in characters and story. The more I read it, the worse it gets.
It's sad to think that they writers seem to don't know BASIC CHARACTER WRITING. I think the one thing that nails it here is that "everyone else also has the problems of Wuk Lamat". The thing with Wuk is that we're forced to babysit - no, not even that, because I'm not doing anything - to just follow her around quietly during the ENTIRE story.

The one worry I have is they just latch on the "no one likes Wuk Lamat" and think just removing her from the story will solve the problem. It won't.